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the master-padawan relation ship

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by averagejoe3, Oct 27, 2007.

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  1. averagejoe3

    averagejoe3 Jedi Youngling

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    just wondering....given the fact that the teachings of the new Jedi Order(post-Ruusan)were so full of restrictions,why is the master-padawan relationship any different?
    i mean,a Jedi wasn't allowed to have possesions(besides his lightsaber),wasn't allowed to have a family and all that because it will lead to the darkside...my question is this?a padawan's strong conection to his master isn't an atachment,and can't lead to the darkside?
    for a padawan,his master is the closest thing he has to a family,and in many cases,he becomes more or less,the padawan's parental figure,at least until the padawan reaches to knighthood and they become "brothers".

    for example,when Obi-Wan gets pissed at Darth Maul for killing Qui-Gon and gives into his anger,if Obi-Wan actually defeated Darth Maul in anger(obviosly Obi defeating Darth Maul would be impossible :p ),wouldn't that have brought him down the path to the darkside just like Anakin killing Count Dooku did?

    from my POV,this relationship,unlike the Rule of Two wich empowers both the Sith Master and the Apprentice, is somewhat of a flaw....

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    i'm sorry if this has been discussed before...
     
  2. _Sublime_Skywalker_

    _Sublime_Skywalker_ Jedi Master star 4

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    I see the master padawan relationship being formal teacher student. Sure, they are attatched, but with the right training they will not let said attatchment cloud their judgement. Obi Wan only sought a slight advantage when he released his anger on Maul. Because he was a jedi and not able to control himself for the time being, he got kicked down the pipe. Only when hanging could he control his emotions and calm himself. The point is that Obi Wan didn't continue to use his anger, he stopped himself.

    Of course theres always going to be a special bond between the two, but once you are knighted you're equals and it's more of a general friendship then formal teacher student, master and apprentice.
     
  3. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Indeed. For most Jedi, that's the way of things. They could have lasting friendships and be almost family like. But the difference is that for the most part, they never crossed the line. The Padawans would never reach the dangerous levels as defined by the Code. Obi-wan and Anakin's relationship tread a very fine line, as Obi-wan let Anakin get away with a lot after Geonosis. More than he should've.
     
  4. AnakinSucks

    AnakinSucks Jedi Youngling star 3

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    You were my brother Anakin. I loved you. - Kenobi.

    Well, when dealing with such an extreme code things are difficult to fathom.

    Interesting topic.
     
  5. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    There was nothing wrong with loving Anakin like a brother. It was if he became attached and Obi-wan was boarderline. Not enough to go bad, but enough to make bad decisions.
     
  6. Darth_Drachonus

    Darth_Drachonus Jedi Master star 3

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    Which in the end, didn't help any at all, regardless of the intention.

    "The roadway to hell is paved with good intentions" Or, as Yoda would say it:
    "To hell! Is the roadway with good intentions paved hmm? MHMHMHMHMHMHMHMHMHMHMHM!"
     
  7. sith_rising

    sith_rising Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    There was nothing wrong with the original Jedi Code. It only failed them because they failed to train Anakin the proper, traditional way. They made a special case for him because of the requests of Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan, and because they later believed him to be the Chosen One. Had they sent him away after Qui-Gon's death, the Order would have been secure. Granted, Sidious might have still dismantled them through politics and the clone army, but at least the Jedi wouldn't have been destroyed from within, which is how it went down.

    It's always because of a woman!
     
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