The Official Batman thread: Inception II: The Dark Knight Rises

We can talk about the comics, the movies , the video games, and the Animated series of different shows. When I mean movies, I also refer to 89 all the way to 97. And the recent ones of 05 and 08.

There is a third Batman movie sequel to the Dark knight coming out, but the Bad news is Christopher Nolen might not want to direct the upcoming movie due to heath ledgers death.

I also heard some rumors that Zack Synder might want to start his own Batman saga, If he does it may be more gritter and darker then the ones we say. Its just a rumor thou.


Anyways feel free to talk about any batman suff you want to talk about.

I am in Batman heaven right now.

 

Does anybody else want to talk about batman. The board wants me make the offical batman thread were we directly talk about all the batman media right here.

 

What, but not the black&white serials or the Adam West movie?


First off, let me say that letting Zack Snyder anywhere near Batman is one of the worst ideas I have ever heard. Let's hope that is stays ONLY a rumor.

Second, despite the success of TDK, I wouldn't be averse to a re-reboot. The odds of topping, or even matching, TDK with a movie set in that same world just seem so slim, because TDK's two best characters are gone: Ledger is dead, and Dent is dead. Sure, someone else could play the Joker, but it would be incredibly difficult if not impossible to get a performance that is neither a mere imitation or something so different that it doesn't even feel like a continuation of the same character.

 

I would expect the danger of a 3rd movie being a letdown has scared the director off, and I rather agree with his reasoning.

 

I expect Nolan will be back for just that reason: He relishes a challenge, and will rise to the occasion with, if not an outright better film than TDK (as if that's possible! ), then something of equal power and skill. There are so many possibilities, given Batman's expansive and imaginative Rogue's Gallery, that Nolan, his brother and Goyer could toy with that I have no doubts that at least one more fine Batman film must be possible, if not probable, from this excellent team.

 

Ledger's death was a great loss to cinema, but not to the mythos. The Joker's role is finished. He warred with Batman, condemned him to wear the cape and cowl forever, and will surely spend the rest of his life in a padded cell in Arkham. There's no need for a reappearance; it would only risk a Hannibal Lecter-styled dilution.

Given his limitations, the only Batman movie we could expect from Snyder would be a Dark Knight Returns adaptation. Since I'm not a fan of such slavishly literal translations, I pray they don't let Mr. Paint-By-Numbers anywhere near the franchise. Warner Bros. has Alfonso Cuaron's number, no?

 

My personal hope is for a "small" Batman movie with Loeb's version of the Hatter in it. Sure, he's not a city-destroying menace. But I don't think there's ever been a more squeamish Batman villain, I mean, the Mad Hatter just makes your skin crawl with just the overtones of what he probably would be IRL.

 

Dream Sequel: Robin Williams as Arnold Wesker/The Ventriloquist.

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It's a role he himself has expressed interest in. Years ago. And it's exactly the type of thing he could do. Picture it. Williams like he was in 1 hour photo, with a dummy toting a tommy gun at his side. He's my favorite villain after Joker, and I would give my left arm for it in film form. Granted, I know this will never happen.

Hopeful Sequel: A gritty version of this bad boy right here:

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Picture it. The Animated Series origin, maybe even with a freeze gun, but maybe with just a liquid nitrogen themed serial killer. It could be awesome.

Expected Sequel: Edward Nigma done in the style of the Zodiac killer

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It's definitely do-able.

 

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Figured I'd try to scare up some talk about that Batman anime movie, Gotham Knight. I liked the stories, plus it got Killer Croc and some GCPD folks-Crispus Allen, to be specific- from the comics into the Nolanverse, which probably never would've happened otherwise.

Also, there's a novel version, which is a single story instead of the three or four that make up the film version; I liked this as well.

 

I haven't seen Gotham Knights, but it looks intriguing. I don't why I haven't bought this yet, as the idea of a dark, more adult-oriented, animated Batman is something I've been waiting for for a quarter century at least.

 

It's pretty rad.

The scene where Batman force-feeds Croc a flash/bang grenade=instant win.

 

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In the sense of keeping a 3rd installment "realistic", which the first 2 films have done a good job with, casting a villain will be difficult. I think the Riddler as a SoS type serial killer would translate well. There are plenty of villains that would not, and would only carry the movie in the direction Joel Shumacher took the original franchise.

Loved the Robin Williams idea in the above post, he can surely do creepy. That would be a tough translation into the current Batman franchise though.

 

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Anyone see The Prestige?

David Bowie, meet Mr. Edward Nigma.

 

I would really like to see Robin enter the third Batman movie. The Boy Wonder. I don't really want to see a big origin story, I'd rather just have him there, (maybe a quick flashback or something to explain it, but not a lot of screentime on a Robin origin story.)

I think it would be interesting to see another actor take on the Joker role. Any suggestions?

 

If they were to do Robin, which they won't, I'd like it to be a combination:

Origin story of Dick Grayson. A mob boss murders his parents through the use of a hired goon. Croc, maybe. He'd fit in well into the Nolanverse. Riddler would work too though. He was as an assassin for a while. But about 2/3 through the movie Robin is lost ala Jason Todd. The villain beats him to death. Or something. Shot, tortured, dropped off a tall building. something. Bats tries to save him, but can't. Villain escapes. Last third of film is hunt and combat.

If Joker is brought back I'd like Hammil. They won't bring him back though.

 

They'll bring Two-Face back before they bring Joker.

 

Like it alot, seen it in the theaters twice, own the DVD. But it's limited by the family-friendly nature of the TV show it springs from, and is what I would term "adolescent" (in the best sense of the term) rather than "adult". In short, it's PG-rated action-adventure.

That's fine for what it is -- but I'm looking for gritty, urban crime drama, the kind of stuff that happens in Detective Comics and the occasional graphic novel or Batman B&W story, but which to date (until Gotham Nights) has not happened in animation.

 

More or less the same response I gave above, but I acknowledge the superior quality of this movie and the dark depths to which it takes the viewer in certain scenes, which are unexpected and a little... scary is the only word that comes to mind.

 

Nolan and Eckhart have both confirmed the character is D. E. A. D. Dead. Aint no revival.

 

The confirmation of the Nolans themselves is indirect at best and is second-hand information (from Ekhart). There's been nothing from Chris Nolan apart from what's been attributed to him from Ekharts, and Jonah Nolan's "confirmation" amounts to a question where Two-Face's demise is assumed by the interviewer and they're asking about something else. Jonah then says something to the effect of "Yeah, etc..." -- if you listen to the context, he's really addressing the question itself, not whether or not Two-Face is dead. He wasn't really asked that question: the interviewer just assumed it.

As for Ekhart himself, after giving the much-quoted interview where he says Two-Face died, he appeared on the Red Carpet for the Golden Globes and his assertions seemed much, much less certain than they read. He laughed a lot and appeared evasive, and said "well if he's not dead then he's probably in a coma".

That doesn't mean they'll bring him back. But I think it's a better chance for him coming back than the Joker.

Besides, if you think about it, any story you could potentially write from this point works better if you bring Two-Face back. Batman's on the run from the cops and the Bat-signal is destroyed. If the third film is going to have that restored (it doesn't ahve to but if it's going to), the best way is to have the men that brought that about (Dent, Batman, Gordon) change the situation.

The only other way would be to have a new villian change the situation to clear Batman's name. And every proposal I read isn't nearly as compelling as just bringing Two-Face back. Yeah, I know the Riddler lives for puzzles. But having the Riddler clear Batman's name? That would take a lot of work, and would easily start to make the story more about the Riddler than Batman and not give Batman much to do except catch the Riddler, which was precisely the problem with the first few films that these ones have avoided by making Batman much more personally involved via his own philosophy being challenged.

Two-Face can continue that trend, and probably can do it the most effectively. The other villians (Riddler, Black Mask)... not so much.

 

The long run of movies over the last 20 years has proved three fundamental axioms of the series:

1) Batman himself is not interesting, and

2) no Batman movie can be really great without an iconic villain who can provide a bigger and more interesting screen presence than Batman.

3) The joker is the only interesting Batman villain.

Consequently, the first Tim Burton Batman and the most recent Nolan Batman are really the only two movies in the series worth watching. The Joker is the only Batman villain that really brings out something special in an actor's performance. And it really does have something to do with the villain and not just the actors and the writing.

That's the dilemma and the fundamental weakness of the franchise. Given Ledger's death, WB should suspend the series and come back in 15 years with a new director, a new Batman and a new Joker.

 

You're quite mad, you know that? Batman is interesting when done right. There have been 6 films, and 2 noteworthy animated films. There are just so many things wrong with your assessment I...I don't know where to begin! I need to think over this for a few minutes.....

Original 2 films: Dynamite Bruce Wayne performance. character is nuanced, clearly a little crazy, and believable. I choose to overlook Kilmer and Clooney. Because really, why would you want to? Carrey's Riddler was decent. That's all I have to say about those two later films.

Every villain did that 2nd thing. Every single one.

How is Joker the only interesting villain? HOW?!

Joker
Penguin, Max Shreck, Catwoman
Riddler, Two-face
Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze, Bane
Scarecrow, R'as Al Ghul
Joker, Two-face

Only joker, and 2 completely different interpretations of the character at that, are interesting?

I'm....baffled and peeved, and saddened, simultaneously.