The Old Sith and the Great Hyperspace War

What was the Great Hyperspace War? What happens? How does it end? I've only heard of it from KOTOR, which is very sketchty.

And who war Darth Bane that I've heard referred to so many times?

 

Great Hyperspace War (from CUSWE)
An ancient battle between the minions of the Light and Dark sides of the Force, the Great Hyperspace war erupted on the heels of the First Unification Wars fought in the Koros System, some 5,000 years before the Battle of Yavin. The ancient Sith lords, led by Ludo Kressh and Naga Sadow, fought for control of their minions while Sadow attempted to take control of the galaxy. Meanwhile, the Jedi Knights Odan-Urr and Ooroo tried to use Jedi battle meditation on the advancing Massassi forces, but the Massassi mind was too primitive to be persuaded. The Massassi, under the control of the Sith, swarmed the planet Coruscant, but the Jedi soon realized that the majority of their army was illusional. The Jedi quickly dispatched the true Massassi and free the planet. Meanwhile, Sadow had defeated Kressh in an epic interstellar war in the Sith Empire, but his forces were unable to defend themselves against the might of Empress Teta's forces. As his commanders began to surrender, Sadow used the Dark Side of the Force to communicate with his Massassi spies. They executed Sadow's enemies and took control of their ships, drawing Teta's forces into the Denarii Nova. There, Sadow's forces were eradicated, along with many of Teta's ships, but ultimately the Old Republic was able to eliminate the Sith threat. Sadow was forced to flee, and later established his own base on Yavin 4.

The story is told in Tales of the Jedi comic series, specifically the Golden Age of the Sith and Fall of the Sith Empire arcs.

 

Forgot to mention Darth Bane...terrific fellow.

Winning smile, firm handshake, and a wonderful mezzotenor singing voice for performing Italian and German repertory.

 

Darth Bane was from the Battle of Ruusan 1000 years BBY, and founded the New Sith Order under the Rule of Two. The Great hyperspace War took place 5000 years BBY, and was fought between the Republic and the ancient Sith Empire, and resulted in the extinction of the Sith species, except for those Massassi who were with Naga Sadow on his ship. The decendants of these Massassi would be wiped out in the great Sith War, 1000 years later.

 

And where does KOTOR figure in all of this, then?

 

That is 30yrs after the Exar Kun Sith War, which would be around 20yrs after the Redemption comic, which itself was ten years after Kun's demise.

Just for a teaser . . .

the Jedi of in The Sith War gathering commented that the prophesied dark side resurgence wasn't for another thousand years. Could the Sith have risen up again around 930yrs after KOTOR, in an as yet untold story?

 

Exactly how many times are the Sith going to rise, then?

 

1. The Great Hyperspace War (5000yrs ago; under Sadow)

2. The Great Sith War (4000yrs ago; under Kun)

3. An old Jedi prophecy of a Sith reemergence, commented on in The Sith War TPB (3000yrs ago)

4. Unnamed fallen Jedi started new Sith trouble, ended with Sith order dead and Darth Bane's legacy (2000yrs ago)

5. Now---Sidious and his cohorts (TPM)

The fellows seem to be coming back every millenium. We're about due for another Sith threat soon, I suppose.

 

Actually we have another thousand years

4 and 5 BTW are the same conflict as the Great Sith War (led up to Ruusan) lasted 1000 years.

You also forgot the original Revolt that resulted in a bunch of jedi being exiled to the Deep Core

That was 100,000 years ago

 

Actually you have four or five Sith lines depending on how you look at it.

The First Order:

The Ancient Sith Empire, started when the Dark Jedi exiled into the Unknown Regions of space 25000 BBY found the planet Korriban and took over the Sith species, becoming Dark Lords of the Sith. This Sith Empire lost contact with the Republic and the Jedi and flourished in the dark side. Many powerful Sith Lords lived during this time including Marka Ragnos, featured in Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy, Simus, Ludo Kressh and Naga Sadow. This Empire ended when Ragnos, the leading Dark Lord of the Sith died and Ludo Kressh and Naga Sadow fought to be his successor. Sadow won and led the Sith Empire to invade the Republic, but they lost and all died except Naga Sadow who escaped with some Massassi warriors to Yavin IV. This would be the Great Hyperspace War. This was around 5000 BBY

The Second Order:

Around 4000 BBY the Jedi Exar Kun fell to the dark side, seduced by the Sith spirits of Freedon Nadd (the Sith Lord trained later by Naga Sadow on Yavin IV) and Marka Ragnos declared him Dark Lord of the Sith with another fallen Jedi Ulic Qel-Droma as his Sith Apprentice. Several other Sith Alcolytes existed working with them, and they caused a hell of a lot of trouble including attacking Coruscant itself, and destroying Ossus, the planet which may well be the homeworld of the Jedi. This ended when Ulic returned to the lightside and betrayed Exar Kun's base on Yavin IV, and the Jedi came and defeated him, although he sacrificed all his Massassi warriors to preserve his spirit in the Massassi temples which Luke's students have to face shortly after the founding of the Jedi Academy there.

The Third Order:

Only a short 40 years after Kun's fall, The Mandalorian Wars errupted and two Jedi Revan and Malak fought and led the Republic to victory but in the process fell to the Dark Side and became Darth Revan and Darth Malak, eventually raising an Order of thousands of Sith which battled the Jedi. Revan was turned on by Malak, but a Jedi actually saved his life and his memory was erased by the Jedi Council and Revan actually then led the Jedi to victory which of course is the story line of Knights Of The Old Republic.

The Fourth Order:

Around 2000 BBY An unnamed Jedi went rogue and rediscovered Sith teachings, and raised a new order of Sith and this Order battled the Jedi Order for a thousand years until 1000 BBY when the Sith Order was finally defeated on Ruusaan by the thought bomb set off by the Sith Lord Kaan, creating the Valley of the Jedi, the valley Kyle Katarn goes to in Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight and Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast
One Sith Lord survived though - Darth Bane.

The Fifth Order:

Darth Bane went into hiding and started the Rule of Two: A Master and an Apprentice, and this Order remained in secret for 1000 years until Darth Sidious and Darth Maul revealed themselves to the Jedi, eventually Maul was killed, Darth Tyranus turns up and is presumably killed, Darth Vader becomes the new apprentice and the Sith actually win for once and wipe out the Jedi and Republic, creating the Galactic Empire, until Luke Skywalker defeated the two of them at Endor


Darth Vader although actually trained a Sith Apprentice called Lumiya, who went into hiding after a failed attempt to overthrow the Rebels with the Nagai invasion. She has trained at least two apprentices - Flint, who Luke redeemed and Carnor Jax who was killed by Kir Kanos. Presumabley she has a new apprentice, and was last seen attacking Yaga Minor for Baffor Pollen at the same time as the Yuuzhan Vong, and after battling them had to retreat again.

 

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That is 30yrs after the Exar Kun Sith War, which would be around 20yrs after the Redemption comic, which itself was ten years after Kun's demise.[/b][hr][/blockquote]A quick correction to those dates above: the Second Sith War falls around circa [i]forty[/i] years after the end of the Exar Kun war, and thirty years following [i]Redemption[/i] (it begins three years prior to the game's actual beginning):

[blockquote][ul][li][b]3,996 BSW4:[/b] The First Sith War ends (Exar Kun & the Mandalorians)[/li]

[li][b]3,986 BSW4:[/b] Vima Sunrider's initial Jedi training, and Ulic Qel-Droma's death ([i]Tales of the Jedi: Redemption[/i])[/li]

[li][b]3,956 BSW4:[/b] The Second Sith War continues into this year from back in 3,959 ([i]SW: Knights of the Old Republic[/i])[/li][/ul][/blockquote]

 

the Jedi of in The Sith War gathering commented that the prophesied dark side resurgence wasn't for another thousand years. Could the Sith have risen up again around 930yrs after KOTOR, in an as yet untold story?

I take it that you're referring to the following discussion...

Shoaneb : The Jedi Prophecies predict a great conflict with the Dark Side.

Tott Doneeta : Sure they do, Shoaneb... but it's not supposed to begin for another thousand years!

Oss Willum : The prophecies are notoriously vague. It could happen at any time.

...which happens during the Jedi gathering in "Dark Lords of the Sith" comics? I wouldn't necesarilly say that the prophecy that Shoaneb is referring to is regarding a conflict that'll happen exactly 1000 years later, especially with Willum's comment. She might be referring to the great clashes that are about to come with Exar Kun and Darth Malak, but I personally like to think that she speaks of the Jedi Purge and Darth Sidious' rise to power.

 

What books are the Great Hyperspace War, Great Sith War, and the battle of Ruusaan in?

 

They can be found in the various Tales of the Jedi comic series and the Jedi vs. Sith comic series.

 

Phooie, I was hoping for something more bookish

 

What books are the Great Hyperspace War, Great Sith War, and the battle of Ruusaan in?

The Great Hyperspace War took place during "Fall of the Sith Empire". To see how the Sith learned of the Republic and started their war, get the "Golden Age of the Sith Empire" comics.

The Great Sith War(with Exar Kun) takes place during the "Sith War" comics. To see the events which lead up this war, get the "Dark Lords of the Sith" series. For a very good introduction to the characters, get both the "Knights of the Old Republic"(not to be mistaken with the video game) trade paperback, and try to get the "Freedon Nadd Uprising". Finally, I would also recommend getting "Redemption" which is a great epilogue for characters whom fought in the Great Sith War.

The Battle of Ruusan takes places in the "Jedi vs. Sith" comics.

I personally would sincerely recommend getting the trade paperbacks. I currently have all these comics, except for the Freedon Nadd Uprising(which I'm still trying to get), and they're a great breath of fresh air. Plus, they're excellent storylines with some great characters. You can still order them at various stores.

 

"bookish"

They are by definition books.

 

You can read about the Old Sith and the GHW in the Essential Guides, if you really want bookish.

 

Phooie, I was hoping for something more bookish

Are you saying comic books are not literature, or that they are inferior literature?

 

Maybe he just prefers to read a book instead of reading a comic... just a thought.

... to each his own is what I'd say.

 

Well, personally I don't think the Three Musketeers, War and Peace, LotR would do very well graphically.

 

EH...
Check out EUC's History of the Sith for a fairly comprehensive summary of the TOTJ epic including the Old Sith and the Great Hyperspace War.

(Note, "Part 1" covering the Old Sith and the Great Hyperspace War is at the site in the link.)

 

Question about the Hyperspace war. In the (I think three parts) comic. Star Wars: The Stark Hyperspace Wars. That the Trade Federation was waring against a trader Stark. Is that part of the Hyperspace wars?

 

No

 

The Stark Hyperspace War is completely seperate from the Great Hyperspace War, which occured more than four thousand years before the afore mentioned Stark Hyperspace War.