The Old Sith Empire. Did Yoda help bring about it's Downfall?

I'm not sure if Ki-Adi-Mundi is being literal when he says the Sith were not seen for a full millenium, or he was just speaking figuratively. You know how some people talk, they have a tendency to exaggerate the facts, or the truth for that matter, especially when they weren't even there.

My question is this; Was Yoda one of the Jedi Knights that defeated the Sith rule of the past, or did this happen before he was even born? He seems to know so much about the Sith to indicate that he was there at the time.

 

I don't think anything exists in the SW universe itself to suggest this. But wasn't there an interview with Lucas where it was asked something to the effect of "If you were to continue the Star Wars story where would you take it?" His reply being something about a young Yoda helping bring down the Sith (though I don't know if this was real or fake news). If it's true then in Lucas' mind possibly Yoda did. But as the SW universe stands currently, no concrete evidence suggests that he did.

 

You'll never find proof that Yoda ever fought a sith if you go by movies alone. He may have taken on a few dark force users, but not a Sith Empire. EU wise, the last great sith war was what the rep on naboo talked about when he said 'there hasnt been a fullscae war since the formation of the republic'. This coupled with palpaines line 'i will not let this republic that has stood for 1000 years...' The republic is 1000, yoda is 900, last great war was 100 years before yoda was born.

 

I don't think that even Yoda is old enough to have battled a true Sith. Perhaps Ki-Adi-Mundi is exaggerating a little bit. However, Darth Bane began the ?rule of two? tradition and since his time, the Sith have remained all but secret and therefore the Jedi believe them extinct. The Jedi have archives where a multitude of information is stored. Some of that information deals with the Sith and Sith legend. Therefore Yoda, and all Jedi for that matter, have the information freely available to them. So even though they may not have been there, they still have knowledge of the Sith.

 

I also heard that Lucas plan to make new Star Wars saga that will be about Yoda.I read it in some newspapers, but I'm also not sure if it is true.

 

From what I can find, the 'Young Yoda' concept is not much more than speculation at this point. I can't find any GL comments on this -- perhaps Sinister or one of the other mods has more info.

GL recently came out and stated ILM is done making movies (see TFN main page). So if we see any 'Young Yoda' footage it will be on the small screen. As GL says, everyone gets more for the money on the small screen format! We fans and ILM both get many, many more hours of action for the same amount of money.

 

As GL says, everyone gets more for the money on the small screen format! We fans and ILM both get many, many more hours of action for the same amount of money.

Yep. I also think a good story line is much more important than the detailed super graphics which eat up the budget.

 

Lucas toyed with the idea, but he's never really said for sure if he would've done it. As it stands right now, Yoda was born one hundred years after the Sith Order's supposed extinction.

 

Are you sure it was ILM? I heard that it was Lucsfilm that wasn't doing more movies after Indy, but ILM? that's just stupid. Other studios besides Lucasfilm use ILM.

 

It is Lucasfilm, not ILM. There's a BIG difference.

"We don't want to make movies. We're about to get into television. As far as Lucasfilm is concerned, we've moved away from the feature film thing because it's too expensive and it's too risky." - George Lucas

 

Actually, TFN reported what ISEB had from Lucas about the Variety article.

?I?m still doing large features, we are not doing large budgets, even on Indiana Jones we are going to keep the budget down,? says Lucas.

Lucasfilm is still doing feature films, but he's trying to keep the budget from being as high as the Star Wars PT. The budget would be much more manageble. You can check out what he said.

 

The Sith Empire was into multaple Empires, they Destroyed themselves but one Survived.

 

"The republic is 1000, yoda is 900, last great war was 100 years before yoda was born."

Yeah but being right on the money with the year count seems a little too perfect if you ask me. Sometimes when people talk, they don't ever get precise about such things, especially when you're talking hundreds of years. We always round off the counts because we really don't care about doing the math. I'm not saying Yoda was a Jedi Master, but a Jedi Knight at the age of 30 or so might be acceptable for him to be around at that time.

Examples of possible miscounts in the movies:

Ki-Adi-Mundi claims the Sith did not exist for a millenium. "10 years before AOTC"

Senator Palpatine claims the Republic existed for a thousand years. "10 years after TPM"

 

Yoda did appear to have knowledge of the sith and knew about the rule of two but i doubt yoda had ever acctually fought a sith before.

 

No he did not.

He didn't start training to be a Jedi right away either.

 

As many said before, no he did not.

At least not canonically.

 

Right now, the explaination is that Yoda never fought a Sith until he fought Dooku. Yoda was not born until a while after the Sith were thought dead. And so far, Lucas has said nothing more about doing a Jedi vs Sith film. Only the one time.

 

There are quite a few gaps in Yoda's history, but so far all that we have besides the Witches of Dathomir is:

"Near 700 BBY, an insurrection broke out on Bpfassh, and a number of Dark Jedi ran rampant through the region. Yoda himself tracked one of the dark siders to the world of Dagobah. On that fog-shrouded world, Yoda and the Dark Jedi battled, and eventually Yoda emerged victorious."

-I do not believe Yoda ever faced Darth Bane, because it would directly conflict with what has been said onscreen. Also, Yoda wasn't in the picture at the time of Bane's reformation of the Sith Order. Another possibility, Darth Bane could have died before Yoda even became a Jedi. Which is what makes Path of Destruction a bit of a disappointment. It was nothing more than a re-write of the comics. But there is a thread for that already...

There is much to learn about this timeframe for sure. It is my understanding that a human would have to be extremely powerful to live that long. In Path of Destruction Kaan was shown to be nothing more than a charasmatic leader. Powerful, yes, but awe inspiring? No.

I guess I'll just have to throw down another $25 bucks for the next Sith related Novel (two years from now) to get those answers.

 

And comparing a Daothmiri Witch to a true Sith Lord is like comparing a Padawan to a High Jedi Master. Doesn't work like that.


Actually, it's a fair comparison. Just because one carries the title of Sith does not automatically make them more powerful or dangerous than, say, a Dark Jedi. Remember, even Palpatine (a Sith) was afraid of Gethzerion (a Nightsister), and for good reason.

 

So you're saying that just because one is a member of the Sith Order automatically makes them more powerful than any Dark Jedi? That would be inaccurate; Dark Jedi such as Joruus C'Boath, Lomi Plo, and Kyp Durron, all Dark Jedi, surpassed the likes of Darth Maul, Darth Sion, and Darth Malak, all Sith.

Why would Palpatine be afraid of Nightsisters if they weren't strong enough to threaten the power of the Sith? Palpatine was afraid of Gethzerion herself; it states just that in The Courtship of Princess Leia. Gethzerion was extremely powerful; moreso than the likes of Darth Vader (also stated in The Courtship of Princess Leia), Darth Maul, or Count Dooku. She was certainly on par with Palpatine.

The Sith themselves are, when you get down to it, nothing but Dark Jedi with history. They just gave themselves the title of Dark Lords of the Sith (due to their rule over the species known as the Sith), and shortened it to Sith. They have a history in which they have recorded ways to use the Dark Side; a Dark Jedi would be just as dangerous if he had access to such knowledge. The power of the Sith has more to do with technique and knowledge than it does raw strength in the Force (though that does help).

 

Who said it does?

I only mentioned the Witches and the Dark Jedi as known adversaries that Yoda had faced besides Dooku. Not once, did I state that any of those dark-side practioners were on par with a true Dark Lord of the Sith.

No way Yoda ever tangled with Bane. Where is Sinister when I need a quote?

I hope for the sake of the story that Bane was, at the very least, killed by Zannah. That way, the discovery of the Sith and the rule of two, by the Jedi won't tarnish his image.

If he went to all that trouble to wipe out the weaklings in the brotherhood of darkness, only to be found out on his own? Then the whole storyline for Bane will be ruined, IMO.

I am a firm believer that strength can enhance and/or improve any technique.

WHAT?

WOW, just wow...

I have got to paste that Quote over in the 'should Darth Maul have died thread'...
All the "regular posters" in there will have a field day with that one.