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Lit The Origin of the Zhell and Humanity in the GFFA

Discussion in 'Literature' started by ColeFardreamer, Apr 21, 2022.

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Where did Zhell / Humans in the GFFA originate?

  1. Coruscant (previously known as Notron, with Zhell being Humans)

  2. Corellia (in the Outer Rim Maw Cluster where it was before Centerpoint plucked it to the Core)

  3. Notron (not Coruscant, which may be located in Otherspace as per Supernatural Encounters)

  4. Urthha

  5. Earth in Haeven system in the GFFA (chinese High Republic novel Vow of Silver Dawn)

  6. Earth in Fath Sector in the GFFA (Star Tours)

  7. No clue but my money is on the RIM

  8. No clue but my money is on the CORE

  9. Humanity evolved in the UNKNOWN REGIONS

  10. Extragalactic Origin (ALIEN EXODUS but with Corellia their first major stay in the GFFA)

  11. Other

  12. None, there is no humanity in the GFFA, the story is just reimagined as human by those retelling it

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  1. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    Canon and late Legends have decided that Coruscant is the origin of humanity after a back and forth in Legends with some mystery and other contenders. The most likely contender not Coruscant was Corellia actually, which the unpublished ALIEN EXODUS storyline by Robert J. Sawyer would have favored connecting the Lucasverse from THX1138 and thus our Earth to the GFFA. Supernatural Encounters features a variety of possibilities and details another human origin that takes into account all previous attempts and presents its own take with humanity stemming from a world that got to be called Notron as a variation of Neutron for it was ruined by Neutron bombs leaving it lifeless and humanity seeking a new home.

    Now, with the matter seemingly settled in canon and Legends despite cancelled or otherwise debateable sources not counting for everyone here as they might for me, there is still something worthwile to discuss regarding the human origin that is often overlooked!

    Coruscant
    We know the Taung are natives, the Zhell are supposed to be native humanity in conflict with these saurians and drove them off. Humanity is on Coruscant as Zhell since way before the city covered its surface around 90000BBY, with Taung and Zhell history going back to 200.000BBY even!

    Corellia
    In Legends the corellian system was an artificially construct with Centerpoint Station pulling worlds to the Core through Hyperspace to save them from doom in their former location, the Maw Cluster that was about to become collapsed into black holes as a prison for the entity of Abeloth.
    While both are Coreworlds now, Corellia and Coruscant, at least Corellia would have been a human origin in the Outer Rim. Was Alien Exodus' Corellia story bits supposed to happen in the Core or in the Rim and thus before or after Centerpoint station moving it? As Alien Exodus dealt with the Varlians, aka the later Hutts, and their enslavement of many species, Corellia closer to them, in the Rim, the Maw, would have made sense, even if that was not the authors original intention perhaps. And in hindsight, that also explain how humanits probably seeded the Tion and nearby regions that ever since were in conflict with Core humanity about the true origin of humanity in the Rim or the Core.


    What name did Coruscant have before it was a coruscanting cityscape that gave it its name? Especially if it was not Notron? Or maybe it was Notron but Notron was not the beginning after all.

    What name did Corellia have originally? Alien Exodus claims it is named after Antonia Corelli from our Earth. Some of George Lucas original scripts called it "Crell". In the Chiss Language Thrawn calls it "K'rell'n" and old classic Marvel comics spelled it Correlli several times. Corell is also the name of the systems sun (which probably was named such after the world got its new name).

    So why does earliest humanity call itself "Zhell"? Why not Corellians? Or is Zhell a weird abstraction of that?

    Corellians
    Corell
    C'rell - ians
    C'hell -ians
    Z'hell -ians
    Zhell?

    Who hasn't heard of the Corellians and their seven hells in their mythology and sayings?
    What if these have a quite literal origin rooted in their past in the Maw?
    Now a Z looks like a 7 lacking the lower line... Z'hell... 7 hell(s).. sounds rather Corellian to me now. Especially as when going to war, the Corellians brought all 7 hells to the Taung of Coruscant and may have been called that as a nickname for their species by them. Zhell, those who turn their world into 7 hells worth of trouble and war.

    Now Urthha, Earth and lookalikes may be humanitys later recreating their fabled home in the Mily Way unless you prefer them as an original home in the GFFA.
     
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  2. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Humans went from Erets/Ereth to Urrtha and later from Urrtha to Notron/Coruscant. Zhell was the last name of the leader of the first humans to live on Notron.
     
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  3. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Force Ghost star 5

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    Personally, I like Coruscant being humanity's homeworld in Star Wars. A lot of other space opera IPs have earth be humanity's homeworld(whether earth itself exists at the time of the story or any recognizable form at all). Its unique and is better than an "earth existed and humans came from there" background. I also like the bit of background lore that humans shared the planet with the Taung and fought them in an epic pre-historic (by modern GFFA frame of reference anyway) conflict.

    As for Corellia, I firmly believe the Celestials in legends had a sort of protective interest in humans-after all they did not allow the Sharu to intrude near Coruscant, and since they constructed the Corellian System-I imagine humans were transported there, possibly on Celestial ships, perhaps the world itself.
     
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  4. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    If Coruscant was their Notron, then when did humans get to Corellia? Before or after Centerpoint moved it to the Core? I mean, if after, why move an empty world whereas all other worlds moved were inhabited like Selonia, Drall, etc. And if inhabited by humans, when did humans from Coruscant get to Corellia in the Outer Rim and how and why even if by Celestial transportation services!

    PS: The history of Zhell vs. Taung goes back to real world esoterics being mirrored in SW btw where some believe that humanity is far older than history attests it and once shared the planet with a native or nonnative reptiloid race. But in the same esoterics it is said humanity did not evolve on Earth but came from the world that was later turned into the asteroid field by them, maybe even had been on Mars (Marspyramids, Mars-face mystery) before, and the human origin is elsewhere outside the Solar system entirely. Even living planets like Zonama Sekot (Gaia Hypothesis) and the Nibiru esoteric lore about a planet of the gods (Celestials?) etc. is all lifted by authors from real world esoterics.
    Now regardless what one thinks about those, they are interesting as a writers repertoire for myth and stories and grounding a worldbuilding. I wonder how much of the Coruscant/Zhell backstory came from Lucas himself for Shadows of the Empire and his esoterics love, or where they picked the name Zhell up from!

    That's just one take of the ancient times, not necessarily the only one ;)
    But yeah Zhell as a last name makes sense, what does it etymologically mean though? It exists in the real world as one as well but no origin is listed online. Hmm... still I like how inuniverse Zhell could be many things origin-wise. And a Leader for the human nations nicknamed as last name "7 hells" sounds about right for me!
     
  5. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Force Ghost star 5

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    Humans were probably placed there by the Celestials, before or after Corellia was itself moved. Maybe afterwards.
     
  6. Ackbar's Fishsticks

    Ackbar's Fishsticks Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Humanity originated on Earth.

    The Star Wars universe is actually the Milky Way galaxy in the distant future. The stories are just being told from the point of view of people even further in the future than that, many galaxies away.
     
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  7. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Force Ghost star 5

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    Again, I’ll restate humans actually emerging from a different planet than earth is really refreshing and interesting. Even more so that Coruscant does not seem to have been like earth at all-it was colder, further from its Star, and closer to the galactic core.

    How humanity emerged, if through evolution or some form or intervention on a world that prior to being an ecumenopolis is really interesting to me just from a paleontological and archaeological perspective as much as it being new.
     
  8. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    You know, once upon a time in the 70s you were right!

    I so love that advertising text, the best I ever read:

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