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The Pius Dea Crusades and the Atlas

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  1. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I quite enjoyed looking at Revan's Sith Empire in the Atlas and mapping the conflict, so I thought I'd have a stab with the Pius Dea Crusades, too.

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    I started with the Galactic Explorations map on page 121, which shows the systems which were explored in the period 15,000 BBY to 8,000 BBY in yellow. I then popped to the index, and looked up the Ordnance/Regional Depots, as these were established during this era. It was possible to posit, by looking at which Ord systems were within the yellow on the map, and those that were not, this indicating which depots were established but did not hold - that were abandoned by the Old Republic because of the war, and notably there were 'territorial losses' in this engagement.

    It struck me as quite unlikely that the Republic in subsequent millenniums would resurrect the title of Ord what with its connotations, and only Ord Antalaha has an entry which suggests it was discovered late - i.e. during the Clone Wars - and even that entry has continuity issues, and it is in the Colonies so I'll assume it's a rediscovery.

    Obviously, this is extreme guesswork in one regard, because the Crusades lasted a millennium and were interspersed with 'hot' and 'cold' wars.

    Nonetheless, the Crusades can be distilled into five distinct fronts.

    The Hutt Front

    Ord Wylan Oktos Mid Rim R-12
    Ord Dycoll Lannik Wilds Mid Rim R-13
    Ord Pardron Dufilvian Mid Rim R-15
    Ord Segra Dufilvian Mid Rim Q-15
    Ord Klina Klina Outer Rim Territories S-13
    Ord Vaxal Callia Inner Rim N-13


    I place this first if only because it seems that the war opened with anti-Hutt action, as a pretext for using more vicious anti-alien assaults later on. The war seems to start with a border of posts at Ord Pardron and Ord Dycoll, fencing off the rim of the Republic, followed by strides into Hutt territory at Ord Wylan and Ord Klina, which penetrate fairly deep into the Outer Rim.

    Later in the conflict further coreward depots emerge, perhaps representing territorial losses to the Hutts, such as Ord Segra and Ord Vaxal, or the secession of systems such as Ando and Bothawui, with their nonhuman population. There are also likely to be nonhuman issues up the Corellian Run, what with Falleen, Rodia and Tynna all being along this route, which may explain why the Republic also were forced to found the fortress of Ord Vaxal near Spirana - the Republic was routed that far at one point.

    It is worth noting the cataclysm of Zarracina II, located in O-14, which took place circa 11,660 BBY. This is three centuries into the crusades and is deep within Republic territory (as defined in orange), and represents a hardening of Republic power as the border becomes more porous - the simple discovery of a new alien species sees them obliterated, and they flee rimward.

    Overall it is possible to posit that the Republic made advances rimward, before being routed, and then, inevitably, the situation was smoothed over and the Hutts and many of the species in the area either reaffirmed their membership or rejoined, after Pius Dea were defeated. I imagine, however, that the loss of territory all the way to Spirana would have placed a severe damper upon the campaigns near Kerkoidia, as noted later on, resulting in a more defensive act near Darknell.

    The Tion Campaign

    Ord Bueri Nilgaard Outer Rim Territories S-5
    Ord Torrenze Sertar Outer Rim Territories S-5
    Ord Zat Jospro Outer Rim Territories S-7
    Ord Namurt Tharin Outer Rim Territories S-8


    With the Tion Cluster so far away from Coruscant, the Republic seeks to fortify their gains and push against the Hutts from this direction. On the south flank, depots lead south from the Tion to Ord Namurt, securing territory as far south as Boonta. These represent annexations, and it is likely that the ability of the Republic to reinforce the Tion via the Perlemian prevented the catastrophe in the Northern Dependencies that would follow, and allowed them to make so much headway specifically against the Hutts.
     
  2. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Force Ghost star 5

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    Awesome post, Sinre!

    Well, the Pius Dea Crusades sure are also an origin of the Human High Culture Movements in later eras and definitely spread humanity across the entire galaxy contributing to it becoming the galactic majority in all subsequent eras. Imagine the territory before Pius Dea? Most places you travel to you find more aliens than humans... during and after Pius Dea it is quite the opposite. Worlds cleansed of aliens, and even with Pius Dea defeated settlers and humanity across the galaxy in conflict with returning alien refugees finding their homes in innocent human hands. Spreading from the Core rimward, humanity never again spread as fast and wide without Pius Dea at the roots. Even if it longterm only managed to seed lots of small human colonies across the Rim, those prospered and filled the entire galaxy with humanity.


    But while mostly pro-Alien here, we should look also at how did human populations within Alien Space in the Rim fare one Pius Dea enraged the alien species around them, even if they had no connections to the Republic or Pius Dea! Many ancient generation ships, and other colony ships even managed to settle in the Rim long before Pius Dea.

    With enraged Aliens turning even on those innocent human colonies inside the alien Rim, they had no choice but to defend themselves and look for the Republic to help them, if possible and close enough.

    In the longterm, Pius Dea was defeated, but especially those who witnessed alien retribution on humans firsthand in the rim stayed anti-alien far longer than probably the quickly adapting Core and Colonies would, leading to the formerly peaceful innocent human colonies in the Rim beyond the Republic keeping the anti-alien bias even more so than the Core did once it started reintegrating alien life into government and culture.

    Tionese, as well as long after Pius Dea the Naboo, had, even if not militant, a tendency towards antialien bias.

    Also of note should be, that nearhuman species might have suffered from the aliens revenge on humans and human looking aliens. And while many nearhumans might side with the Republic or humans might have sided with the aliens to prevent Pius Dea madness, the implications of Pius Dea reach much further than just Core vs. Rim, Human vs. Alien and the other old typical constellations we see in every galactic war.

    Also Pius Dea created lots of unrest in the galactic core around Corellia with humans only one of its dominant species there. Imagine Corellia fortified while the other corellian species unite with the Duro to cut the Hyperlanes off and start a Core front striking towards Coruscant slowly advancing. Pius Dea would be caught in a war on both sides, Homefront and Rimfront, trapped in the middle.



    ps: And I'd love to see Wookiees and Trandoshans putting their rivalry on hold to unite against the Pius Dea forming the Mytaranor front in the Mid Rim reaching from Togoria over Kashyyyk to Umbara uniting many of the galaxies top warrior species and Umbaran stealthy assassins.

    Then just think about the Aliens bringing all their shapeshifters to bear on the Republic and other experts like the Anzati, Geonosian swarms and mindworms, etc. a truly ugly war picture is painted... .ugly but interesting!



     
  3. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Chosen One star 6

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    Interesting ideas, and very well though out.

    If I may offer a criticism, it is that coreworld Ords do not necessarily represent a loss of territory. After all, the Pius Deas are described as going after "rival alien sects", which suggests to me that their primary targets were alien worlds that were home to popular religions and were already part of the Republic, or at least connected to it. At the very least there are plenty of references to the Crusades being as much a civil war as a war of conquest.
     
  4. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 7

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    That's quite a few steps beyond "a stab at there"... ;)

    Good stuff! As far as the usage of "Ord" in later years, Ord Cestus was also named well after the Pius Dea era... and wasn't even an ordinance depot. I think you can assume the vast majority of the Ord worlds are those Ordinance/Regional Depots settled in the Pius Dea era, but there are exceptions.
     
  5. jasonfry

    jasonfry VIP star 4 VIP

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    Interesting guesswork, and a great eye for detail.

    The Crusades are chronicled in WARFARE (as drafted) -- I'll be eager to know what you think next March.
     
  6. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    This is aimed at CeiranHarmony, as well:

    That's a very good point, in that it has been described as an internal 'inquisition' as many times as an external crusade. But as the Atlas made reference to territorial losses specifically, and those were the only ones I could imply using the Ord system, I assumed it took place here - though as noted Kinyen ends up on the wrong side of the Ord line, ditto Ando, Bothawui and so forth on the Corellian Run, so the civil war could have taken place there.

    I imagine that Corellia and the nearby systems would have represented a major problem with the Drall, Selonians, Nosaurians and Froz all being in close proximity, severing the Corellian Run and causing no end of problems. Alsakan wouldn't have been able to help itself, either, I imagine, resulting in conflict in the Colonies too. :cool:

    I found Ord Cestus to be an oddity, as well. We were told Cestus joined the Republic circa 321 BBY, but then we have the map showing it in yellow showing it thoroughly explored in the Pius Dea era, which implies it was held onto, and then Ord Cestus is a lynchpin of rimward territory during all the following maps - this sells the idea that the Republic lost the membership of Ord Cestus and it rejoined at a much later date.

    I wouldn't be surprised if in some regions it did take seven centuries to restore the Republics control of systems it had formerly held in 2000 BBY, and that would also explain the rise of the Mandalorians by 750 BBY as they are free to conquer systems beyond Republic reach (as they did post-4000 BBY).

    A lot of guesswork, but good fun nonetheless, but thank you nonetheless.

    And I'll be eagerly looking forward to that. :D Are we likely to have the "famous encounter" that ends Pius Dea detailed or is that to be left open for future works?
     
  7. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Force Ghost star 5

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    Yay, can't wait for Warfare :)

    What's next? The Essential Guide to Peace? Everydaylife in a Galaxy far far away! (see my other topic for details)



    on the Pius Dea Crusades: I wonder how Pius Dea came about to be like that in the first place, and how it rose to power, as well as what its leftovers did after its demise or what organisations they joined that we know in later eras.
     
  8. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Tinker Tailor Soldier actually details the impeachment of the previous Chancellor that leads to Constipex rising in broad strokes, but its detailed enough.
     
  9. jasonfry

    jasonfry VIP star 4 VIP

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    Figuring out the Pius Dea endgame was one of the most fun parts of WARFARE. I hope folks will find it creates some interesting echoes to existing continuity, besides being a satisfying settling of scores.
     
  10. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 7

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    Good point - the Republic has a long list of worlds settled, lost and then resettled again.
    Of course, that would make things rather interesting, considering the native X'Ting are one of the more alien alien species, IIRC...[face_thinking]
     
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