ST The Sequel Trilogy and it's misuse of the Force

What's the worse example in your opinion?

 

Who says the force can only be used one way?

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I personally want the Force to be consistent to George's vision.

 

Which one, the one from the OT or the one of the PT?

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Both because to me there isn't much of a difference.

 

What is consistent with George's vision about the force though? Or at least, what would be consistent?

George added more to the force with the PT, but the force is still a mystic power that can apparently be used to create life, aka anakin. If thats the case, the force can actually do alot more if you know how to achieve it.

 

I don't like how Rey being able to use the Force really well without training.

I don't like Force Ghost being able to use lightning and hold lightsabers because if they can do all that then why don't they interfere?

While I'm not a big fan I don't really mind the abilities of the Dyad bond but Force healing should only be used by those who have a Dyad and I also don't mind Luke's Force projection ability.

 

I didn't like the idea that Force projection took so much effort that it would kill the user. No other Force power or ability does that, and it felt like a blatant excuse to kill off Luke when it was a convenient plot point. Just totally contrived, IMO.

 

Well Obi Wans force ghost was able to sit down in ROTJ so the logic there is that he is indeed physical matter at that time, otherwise he would just fall through it. And in general when it comes to other stuff they can do like lightning and Clone Wars you had Qui-Gon making Yoda float for a period. Which i think the idea being that force ghosts are more powerful than you can ever imagine like Obi Wan said he would become if Vader was to strike him down.

The question is more WHY can't they interfere? because there are many ways they infact could interfere but they don't.

I think the concept is meant to be that projecting yourself halfway across the galaxy might be outside of signal strength. Its a fairly unnatural ability to appear places without even leaving your spot. So any force users who tried would probably die instantly. Luke is able to it is a sign of strength but doesn't really change it being an unnatural ability.

And apparently force healing is also connected to someone's life energy too. So you give too much and you die.

 

I have to agree that “dying from force stress” doesn’t make a lot sense. The ability to project an image of yourself has appeared before and Luke didn’t die using it. the fact that Luke’s body disappeared like Yoda’s makes it seem more of intentional leaving the world, but that still doesn’t make sense because nothing he does as a ghost he couldn’t do better alive. It really seems like an unnecessary excuse to kill him when he would be interesting to further explore. But they didn’t even use him as a spirit for anything good...

 

In order to fall through it, the physical matter of the situation would have to mean something to him. His physical body isn't there. He can't fall because there isn't gravity to hold down his form.

That's not striking lightning.

The jedi don't engage with power as something that they can use to control something like that.

That doesn't answer why they can't in story. It just basically says the plot says it would be OP.

 

They also could just appear during a fight with Luke fight an enemy and be like HEY LOOK AT ME! IM A GHOST! and the enemy will be so stunned it would help Luke win.

But they can't interfere because who knows. It wasn't answered with Lucas and it probably won't be answered either.

 

Although it's Legends, or to be more precise Infinities, I still wonder how the Force Ghost of Obi-Wan was supposed to be able to have a lightsaber duel with Galen Marek and to have subsequently being killed by him

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Again, I'm just seeing this as saying they can't because plot. That's not telling a story.

It wasn't answered before why, yes, but therein lends itself to this issue. There was restrictions on an idea before, whether intentional or not. The movie left open the idea of why they couldn't. Now, there's not, because we know they can interact aggressively with the physical world, which just begs questions about it for no reason.

 

Please explain the tree branches that are pushed away as Obi-Wan walks through them.

 

Looks like a filming goof to me. We know he could just walk through it or be where Luke is and not walk over. Even if he could move it with his hand, he'd have no reason to do it personally, so I think it's goof, maybe.

However, I don't presume that jedi can't interact at all with the physical world. I think the idea that they can summon lightning and all that is dumb and undercuts the meaning of being a jedi having passed on.

 

This idea that the Reylo relationship is toxic gotta be, in my opinion, one of the most misconceptions about the sequels' thematic. I'm no Reylo, and I don't like the sequels either, but to me the movies ar very clearly telling us that Rey is not trapped in a toxic relationship that the narrative forces us to view as something beautiful. The movies, despite their many flaws, put straight that Rey has indeed feelings for Ben, which is shown as a kiss at the end of TROS. However every movie shows us also that she absolutely HATES every aspect of Kylo. The distinction here is between Ben and Kylo, which surprises me that some critics DON'T GET. Rey rejects every single one of Kylo's moves (reading her mind, his hand twice, calling him a snake, etc). However she likes the boy behind the persona of Kylo, which is Ben Solo, the Jedi. Not very hard to understand folks. And the concept of Dyad is actually very nice, I think, wished they had explored it more (and i hope they explore this more in future canon). The idea is that the Force (somehow!) is connecting these two people through time and space. Their bond is unique and powerful and extremely rare. It's kinda like the light side variant of the rule of two. Kinda. At least I view that way.

 

It may be debatable the why he did it this way, but I think this suggests, at least, the intention for the audience to buy into this.

 

Yes, but the idea here is that Rey thinks she's talking to Ben. She constantly calls him his original name throughout the movie.

Once Kylo shows his true intentions she, literally, shuts the door on his face at the end of the movie.

 

The issue is that the movie trying to convince the audience of it, for no reason, at all. Why do that if you don't want the audience to buy into it as legit?

 

Fictional magic powers can be used incorrectly?

 

Misuse? Meh. The Force has largely been a plot device that evolves as the story dictates. Each new film/show brings about a new ability/aspect that we have not seen before. There is inconsistency throughout the franchise/saga.* Whether you like it, or not, is up to you.

*Example: Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon can run like The Flash at the beginning of TPM, yet Obi-Wan cannot/does not do this to join up with Qui-Gon before Maul can kill him?

 

I actually thought the idea was really cool, but you hit the nail on the head. It was really only used as a way to kill Luke because no one in-story could.