The Sith Lords: The Exile's Story

Well I just beat KOTOR 2 yestday for like the....3rd time I believe. However I still yet to figure out what the game is about. I mean I know its about some exile that does this and that...blah blah blah. However the game is really about the Exile and his relationship to Kreia and why she wanted him.

The only thing I got is that the Exile created an echo in the force when he was exiled and Kreia for some reason was facinated by this and wanted to go on his journey to use him so that he can....destroy the force or some weird stuff like that.

I'm wanting to write a two part article about the KOTOR Saga thus far (KOTOR and KOTOR 2) but in order to do that I need to fully understand the story of KOTOR 2. The KOTOR story is easy understand and the KOTOR saga thus far is easy to understand....Revan has to seek out the True Sith to destroy them. The Exile will either aid him or create conflict with him. That will be revealed in KOTOR 3....if there ever is a KOTOR 3.

But yeah, can anyone explain to this dumb person (myself) what the K2 story is about. What is it with Kreia's facination with the Exile? What is meant by this "echo"? Any help will be appreciated.

Note: I'm sorry that I created a KOTOR thread. I know those things are forbidden here but I did a search about the Exile's Story in KOTOR 2 and didn't find anything. However if you know of a better thread, then please direct me to it. I don't believe a thread was ever created specifically about the Exile's/Kreia's story in this forum, however I know that it'll be closed anyways. So if you can help out, then reply, or if there is another thread like this one....then direct me to it.

 

What I got from it...

On Malachor, there was so much destruction that the Exhile had to close himself off to the Force completely, or be destroyed. He was changed there...he could have become a void in the Force, but didn't, as he left the Force, instead.

Nihilus was there, but became that void.

Due to the fact that the Exhile was able to shut himself off, Traya saw the Exhile as being superior to Nihilus. She joined the Exhile and began manipulating him...her goal was the complete and utter destruction of the Force itself, by manipulating the two "voids in the Force." Whether or not this is possible is debateable, as the Force is supposed to be made of all living things-- she may have just been crazy as a loon.

So she stuck with the Exhile, manipulating him in his hunt to find those that had exhiled him, and in doing so, Traya was able to either eliminate herself, or have the Exhile kill off the remaining hidden masters of the Order, completely wiping it from existence.

...leaving the Exhile, who managed to defeat her before she could wipe him from the picture as well.

Basically, I think she wanted to eliminate all force sensitives, and was using the Exhile for this purpose, but he overcame and destroyed her and her plots. How he overcame her, and the choices the Exhile made while doing so will dictate how the Exhile will respond to Revan in a KotOR 3.

 

But why did he have the close himself off of the force?

Was it even possible to just destroy the Force? Or was she just thinking that it was and not knowing that what she wants....really can't happen.

Also why was Kreia so hellbent on destroying the force? Or destroying force sensitives? What has the force done to her that made her so bitter against it? That is another thing I never understood. Its as if she just wanted to destroy it....just to be destroying it.

Other than that, thanks for your input.

 

As to why he cut himself off...I think I remember a line where if he hadn't, he'd've been destroyed. That area seemed glossed over. I'm guessing if he hadn't, he'd have ended up like Nihilus himself, but that's just conjecture.

Traya-wise...it's been awhile since I've played, so I don't remember all the dialogue from talking to her. I think it's because she hated the polar extremes that had been created, with the Jedi on one side, and the Sith at the other. We know she's dabbled in both. She supports "grey" so much that the only way to eliminate those that don't believe the same as her (extreme light vs. extreme dark) had to be wiped out.

Destroying the Force: She seemed to think it was possible, using the special nature of the Exhile/Nihilus void/echo stuff. As this wasn't properly explained, I can't guess the specifics of her plan. She seemed to think it would work, but this may have been because she was simply insane on some level. I really don't knkow.

These areas seemed a little glossed over to me when I played through...I've only done it 2 or 3 times total, though, so I might have just missed things.

 

I believe the echo in the Force represents the "screams" from all the lives lost at Malachor. The Exile shut himself off from the force so as not to be destryoed by the pain and suffering that the Jedi and the Mandolorians unleashed at Malachor. Many, if not all, of the character in your party were affected by the events of that battle. On the other hand, Nihlus took on the void, or "echo" and it consumed him. He becane obsessed with death and destruction and needed it to exist.

Beyond that dude you're on your own because I have no **** clue what was going on at the end of the game. BTW there was a cool site linked on a post on one of the KOTOR threads which has a group going into the game in an attempt to "finish" the game. IT sucks to see what this gaem was supposed to be, but it's cool to hear the dialogue that was cut. I've attached the link here http://www.team-gizka.org/

 

It's said the Exile was not forced to be shut off from the force. Kreia mentions that the Exile was forced to live without the force during his Exile from the Jedi Order, not that he indeed tried to not use it to escape Sith Assassins and such, because clearly Sion was hunting him. As to what is the story-line of Kotor 2 it basically like ESB, where the heroes being new or old see darkness, which they escape and eventually conquer, the Sith Lords being the case in this game. It's sort of like a tunnel that the Exile needed to go through before he could face a greater darkness, the true sith. The Exile could be compared to Luke in that he faced a darkness but then sort of conquered it, until old wounds were reopened in ROTJ. KOTOR 2 basically explains how things got to be the way they will be in KOTOR 3 if they make it with the true sith and stuff, a bridge between KOTOR 1 and 3 essentially if 3 is ever made.

 

I believe Kreia wanted to destroy the Force because we were all at the Force's will. She hated the fact that we were all just being manipulated. It goes against free will. That's what I took from it.

 

Interesting view.

 

Thanks everyone for your input. Please keep them coming if you have more to say.

Eventually I'm going to go back and replay KOTOR and KOTOR 2 to get a better understanding of the story.

 

Completely agree with the free will bit. Can't believe I forgot that

 

He's the only one in the galaxy who could stand to cut himself off of the force at Malachor. The tradgedy there created a wound in the force sending out echos that kills the force.

 

In my Opinion:

Force Echoes were transmitted/received feelings that a force sensitive would "feel". Something like what Luke and Leia were doing during ESB:Cloud City. During the Malachor V incident, a Planet, thousands of Jedis, millions(probably billions) of lives were all lost in a single instant causing an echo, like that of alderaan with an exponentially larger size, to happen. The echo was so immensensely brutal in nature that it killed force sensitives in the area, all except exile and nihilus(dont know if Revan, Traya, Sion or the other jedi/sith were near there). While the Exile shut himself off from the force to escape that echo, Nihilus went dark and fed upon all those feelings to survive(like Sion). He was so dark that he became an avatar of death(i.e. the non-existance of the force = force void). Traya being the astute librarian and probably a master of scientific methodology observed what nihilus had become. A void that hungered for force sensitives, but still needed to hunt for them. "Thats good, but to slow and to meager for what I have in mind" she would have said. And so she seeks the last force sensitive she could find, the much rumored "last of the jedi". she is eager to find this one because he has the same history as nihilus. when she finds him, she "tricks" him into thinking she is a friend. But in reality she is an observer, a theorist, and a schemer and the exile to her nothing but a lab mouse or lab womprat. A great many things are unique to the exile, she observes. for one, he exudes a unique echo that calls to other force sensitives to him, an echo that grows as his companions accumulate. And as this echo grows it becomes bonds, bonds that are so strong that the echoes that flow through them are so carnal and precise that the death of one means the death to all who share this bond. "The perfect weapon" she sighs. The Birth of A New SuperWeapon. the weapon she will use to enact her revenge, on the maker of destinies, the one that made hers, the one that makes everybody elses.

 

I read somewhere that Kreia hated the Force and wanted to destroy it, using the Exile as means to an end.

[IndexChick]Interesting thoughts, but I don't see why it can't be talked about here. [/IndexChick]

 

She was betrayed by both sides, from what I surmised. And possibly her hatred for the Aspect of the Force that dealt with destiny was a scapegoat to her not being able to control her life as either a Jedi or Sith.

Like the stereotypical nerd who wants to destroy society.

 

From my understanding when playing it goes as follows....

Exile learned to live without the force. Wasn't told no more force for you. Was just you aren't a jedi anymore and the Exile chose to live without the force. Thus creating a void because the Exile wasnt' depending on it. The Exile was able to overcome the effect of having the force in their life. And the longer the Exile went the bigger the void.

Which if you translate it to life when you chose to ignroe something it in time becomes larger and you are left feeling a void because you chose to ignore a problem.

Keira was really disgusted by the Exile and the Exile's ability to just stop using the force. She wanted to be able to do that but she was way to dependant on it. And the Exile was the key to destrying everything she hated. She hated what the jedi had done to her. And she was using the Exile to seek out her revenge without the exile knowing it.

And whatever happened on Malachor was the key to in a sense stop the universe from exsisting and really thats what Keira wanted. To stop all exsistence, her ultimate revenge against the force. That's my take on it. Maybe some answers in the 3rd one.

~PK~

 

Since KOTOR2 is incomplete I don?t know that I will ever fully grasp every aspect of Kreia?s motivations. I will discuss what I think so far.

The short answer: I think the story revolves around two critical points; Kreia?s feelings about the force and the ?True Sith.?

The long answer: Follows.

Kreia hates the force. She has been both a Jedi Master and a Sith Lord and this has given her a unique perspective; so long as the force exists one should strive to never go too light or too dark in their actions. She wishes that there was no force to begin with because all actions cause echoes through the force and these echoes are a destructive force in the Galaxy. The extremely light actions of the Jedi and the extremely Dark actions of the Sith are equally detestable.

Kreia may hate the force, but she loves life and living things. She wants the force destroyed because, in her estimation, it brings harm to the living beings of the universe. The problem is that the force and life are intrinsically linked and one can not destroy one without the other. Darth Nihilus could destroy the force, but he could accomplish this by destroying all life in the Galaxy, which was not the solution Kreia wanted. The perfect solution for Kreia would be the destruction of the force while preserving the life forms that are a part of the force. This brings us to the Exile.

By the time the Exile faced the council he had been detached from the force, but to serve her own purposes Kreia initially misled him into believing that the Jedi Council stripped him of the force. If you know your Star Wars history you know that is a very real possibility, but that wasn?t the case in this instance. The council simply kicked the Exile out of the Jedi Order and took his Lightsaber. The Exile removed himself from the force as a result of the events of Malachor V and that is what made him special. As I mentioned earlier people have been cut off from the force in the past, but it was always an outside source (Nomi Sunrider/ Jedi Council) that removed the connection to the force. Kreia even mentioned that some other Jedi had cut themselves off from using force powers, but they always maintained a connection to the force at the subconscious level. The Exile was the only person to ever totally sever his connection to the force, which is why Kreia sought him out in the first place.

In the end I think Kreia wanted the Exile to see that the world would be a better place if one stayed in the grey area as a force practitioner. She hoped that by seeing the advantages of a force neutral position the Exile would see the benefits of no force whatsoever. Could the Exile have been the force neutron bomb that Kreia envisioned; destroying the force without destroying all life? That is probably a debate for another thread, but Kreia believed the Exile could do it and that was the catalyst for all her actions.

Kreia was tired of living her life by utilizing something that she hated. If she could not be cut off from the force then she would rather be dead. This leads to another major plot point; if Kreia could not convince the Exile to destroy the force then perhaps she could provoke him into ending her miserable existence. If he could be manipulated into destroying the current Jedi and Sith leadership so much the better. If the force could not be eliminated all together death and a reformation of the Jedi order would make a nice consolation prize. Kreia?s primary plan and her consolation prize were both brought about as a way of dealing with the Hidden Sith.

The elimination of the force would have removed the threat of the Hidden Sith Empire allowing Revan, the Exile and other honorable force users the opportunity to pursue other endeavors. Since that solution never came to pass the second best option was for a change in ideals and focus for the Jedi of the Republic. This change in ideals would make the order better able to deal with the threat of the hidden Sith, which is what happens in the game no matter what path you take. In a

 

Again, thanks everyone for your input. I believe that KOTOR 2 has one of the better storylines in videogame history. Its just that you need to figure it out first lol because its so hard to follow/understand.

Which is why I'm going to write this article after I reply KOTOR and KOTOR 2.

 

Probaly a little late on this but I just finshed KotOR 2. From what I could surmise becuase of all the distruction that was caused. It created echos in the force.Similar to when Alderan was destroyed but worse. The echos then caused killed all force sensitives to die. The exile then shut himself completly off from the force and Nhillious absorded the force energy to survive. They both made wounds in the force. And becuase the force has a will and use peoplle to fufill its will to maintain some sort of balanc she hated it and wanted to destroy it. She was going to open the exile back to the force and cause so much pain it would kill the force completly possibly killing everyone in the galaxy.

 

This is what I don't get....

Okay so if the destruction at Malachor created Echos in the Force and those echos killed Force sensatives. Then why is it that the Jedi in the KOTOR 1 game weren't killed or effected by this? I mean I know that the Jedi that were at Malachor were effected because they all went to the DS or died. But what about these echos? If the echos in the force killed force sensatives then why is it that Jedi on Dantoonie and all over the Galaxy during KOTOR 1 weren't effected by this but now all of a sudden 5 years later in KOTOR 2 all Jedi are effected by this?

Do I sense a plot hole?

 

Ok, I was under the impression that Nihilus had been imprisioned on Malachor V long before the events that destroyed the planet, and it was his prescence that made it taboo to the Mandalorians and attractive as a base for Revan. When Malachor was destroyed, Nihilus was released. He then joined Traya and Sion. He wasn't the void created by the deaths at Malachor. Only the Exile was affected in such a way, and he only shut himself off from the force because he couldn't bear to listen to the voices of those he helped kill anymore.

 

It wasnt that strong... that why Kreia needed the exile. Because the exile can bridge the echoes from planet to planet with the bonds that he continually makes.

good idea, but I remember vaguely about Kreia saying that he was one of the jedi that followed Revan or a Jedi fighting in the war. I think...

 

There were Sith ruins on Dxun that made people avoid it, but they didn't have anything to do with Nihilus. You explore those ruins when the party splits, and someone other than the Exhile's commanding.

The echoes/destruction on Malachor only affected those on the surface. Most of the combatants died, there. Revan was in space commanding the fleet, and so unscathed. The rest of the Jedi weren't affected as they weren't on the planet. Nihilus and the Exhile were.

 

Only the people who were at such places like Malachor were influenced by the destruction/echoes.
There were hardly any people who survived it. The Exile, Nihilus and maybe some of the Sith assassins. Other Jedi or Sith never had anything to do with it, so why should it effect them?

If I remember correctly, there are two ingame-answers as for why the Exile shut himself off the force. They are given by Kreia after you meet the "Jedi Council" on Dantooine.
I only remember one and that is: the Exile was scared
I don't know if the way you play the game influences the answer which is given, or if it's simply the choice of the game.

The only thing I'm not really sure about, is what Kreia wants. The game isn't really clear about what her true feelings are and what goals she has. Sometimes it seems like she has three or four goals and would be happy if you would achieve one of them

 

The way I understand it is that it only killed the people on the surface and other jedi around the galaxy only felt it just as Obi-Wan only felt it.