The Sith plot revenge for 1000 years... but all they gain is 30 years of Sith rule?

Ok, correct me if I'm wrong here, but as I understand things:

Before ROTS, the Republic has had a peaceful existance for 1000 years. The Sith have been plotting... patiently waiting this WHOLE TIME to hatch their revenge.

So they do... and Anakin becomes Vader, and they enjoy their Sithly rule.

But then Luke comes around about 30 years later and ends it, thus ending Sith rule.

So the Sith waited ALL THAT TIME for only 30 years or so of supremacy?

Correct my timelines and ages if I'm wrong, please. But if I'm right, that seems awfully... well... lame!

Thoughts? Comments?

 

Not even 30. It's just 22 years. ROTS happens 18 or 19 years prior to ANH. ROTJ is set 4 years after ANH.

Well it shows that evil won't rule for long and that good always wins. The main message behind the whole saga.

 

Well, they did manage to pretty much take out every single Jedi. All 10,000 or whatever of them. That seems like some decent revenge to me.

 

I guess it goes to show that two people can ruin a good thing for the whole galaxy.

Too bad the Sith couldn't just get over it, and enjoy some peace!

Besides... is there even a possibility that there would ever BE a Sith army?

Wouldn't they be in constant civil war with eachother?

 

That's exactly what happened before Darth Bane reformed the Sith order.

Check out the TALES OF THE JEDI comics or the KNIGHTS OF THE OLD REPUBLIC games.
Read JEDI VS SITH aswell.

Until 1000 years prior to EPISODE I Sith were a cult like the Jedi, they had their own Empire which was fighting the Republic for thousands of years. But they never managed to win this conflict because they were so many. They always started to fight eachother.
Darth Bane realised that they would never beat the Republic and the Jedi. That's why he started the whole master/apprentice method after the battle of Ruusan in which all other Sith have been killed (JEDI vs SITH).

 

"they had their own Empire which was fighting the Republic for thousands of years."

That's the part that bugs me. Sio Bibble says in Episode II that there hasn't been a full-scale war since the formation of the Republic. Palpatine says the Republic has been in place for over a thousand years and Ki Adi Mundi says the Sith have been extinct for about that long. But according to KotoR and those other EU sources there were wars with the Mandalorians and the Sith well after the Republic was established. It also says that the Sith were an actual race that died out. I'm pretty sure this was based off of a misconception from back when people didn't know what Sith meant. I remembering reading about that somewhere.. Anyway, I like to think that the downfall of the Sith was what allowed the Republic to come to power in the first place. Ah well.

 

Some 25000 before EPISODE I, some Jedi have fallen to the dark side and left the Jedi order. They enslaved a species called the Sith and made themselves to 'The Lords of the Sith'. The speices itself was extincted in the years after that, and the Republic and the Jedi almost forgot about their evil brothers before they returned 5000 years prior to EPISODE I.
Now the thing with the full scale war. Maybe the Republic was refounded. Palpatine himself says in AOTC: I will not let THIS Republic, which existed for a millenium be split in two! So maybe THIS Republic is some kind of a refounded or regrouped Republic. But I guess we will have to wait what the EU says about the 1000 years between JEDI VS SITH and EPISODE I.

 

i thought ESB was 4 years after ANH and ROTJ was a year after ESB??

 

The Sith are two time loosers. First the Death Star is built and blown to smitherines then what do they do? They build a second Death Star and the same thing happens again.

The Sith could have risen again but a flaw in there being only one master and one apprentice is a sure way to create mutany.

The Sith could never work because they would kill each other off regardless.

 

"They enslaved a species called the Sith and made themselves to 'The Lords of the Sith'."

See that's the kind of thing I just don't buy. It sounds like a silly fan-made explanation. "See, there were Sith, and these guys were their masters right? So they're 'Lords of the Sith.' Get it?" It's like somebody saw it written that Vader was a Dark Lord of the Sith, wondered what it meant, and just made that up. In early drafts of the original SW script they're simply called the Sith Knights, a sect of the Ancient Jedi Order. Dark Lords of the Sith just has a better ring to it. Anyway, I like some EU, but I'm gonna stick with what the movies and Lucas say on this one.

 

****Sio Bibble says in Episode II that there hasn't been a full-scale war since the formation of the Republic.****

Sio Bibble is an idiot. He is one of those people who can't imagine anything important happening before his or her lifetime. He is one of those blustery people who make broad sweeping statements about things they know nothing about because they like the sound of thier own voice. Politicians seem to be like this moreso than average people, and Sio Bibble was a lifetime politician. I never put any stock in his statement. It was just political hyperbolic babble. I hate Sio Bibble. I hope he dies in ROTS.

 

Lol. A bit angry there I see. Who was Sio Bibble again? I kind of forget the politicians.

One politician I do hate is Borsk Fey'lya. He is in the EU and he pisses me offf SSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOO MUCCCCCHH.

In the time period of 20 years after ROTJ where the heroes still have to deal with the rest of the empire, Borsk gives everyone an extremely hard time and frames people and starts turmoil and all this stuff. In NJO (New Jedi Order book series) he becomes the head of the New Republic and causes even more trouble.

SPOOOOOOOOOOIIIIIILERRRRRRRRRRR









Borsk does die tough. He blows himself up with a nuke which is connected to his heart beat. When he heart stops, the nuke goes off. He arms it when the Yuuzhan Vong (the bad guys of NJO who come from another galaxy) invade Coruscant. They obviously find him and kill him in his office when he bad mouths one of their generals and then the nuke goes off a bit later instead of immediately since they hit him with poison instead of immediately killing him.

 

The Oliver Ford Davies character. He says in ATOC "What do you think, Master Jedi." to Anakin.

 

in reply to a point above:

the timeline of the fims in relation to each other:

if we assume TPM is year zero...

AOTC: 10
ROTS: 13
ANH: 32
TESB: 35
ROTS: 36

in total the empire rules the galaxy for 23 years

please note, as per my signiture, this also means anakin is a jedi for 23 years & a sith for 23 years

 

Makes sense to me. I think there's a natural balance in the Force that requires both dark and light aspects. Every person has it in them to be a hero or a villain - a Jedi has the ability to control both. As long as Jedi remain uncorrupted, the balance remains. Sith like Palpatine throw the Force out of balance because they are a particularly intrusive instance of the dark side, consuming and explosive in their power. Because of this, they generally wind up destroying themselves because they motivate Force to create an equally imbalanced variable (i.e. Anakin) to cancel them out.

It's sort of along the lines that destructive tendencies only lead to destructive ends. "Live by the sword, die by the sword" philosophy.

Additionally, keep in mind that the Old Jedi Order was only around for 1000 years. That means there's plenty of time to assume that the Sith might have come into power long ago and their existence may have sparked the reforms that led to the Order of the PT. The EU actually delved into this, dealing with the rise of the Sith, and Lucas has released statements regarding how the Sith used to rule the galaxy until the Jedi rose in power to defeat them. Additionally, TPM hints that Sith have risen to power, but their own ambitions and subsequent backstabbing often lead to their destruction - hence why the "rule of two" was created.

 

Haven't the Sith bin defeaten untill Darth Sidious began plotting his revenge since who knows? Personally I could not imagine that Sidious is 1000 years old neither that he had a Master.

 

They were defeated, but they weren't completely wiped out. They simply remained dormant for a thousand years, passing the Sith practice on from master to apprentice, until finally there was one powerful enough to make the Sith rise again - i.e. Palpatine.

It's sort of like the underground mafia of the Force-sensitive world. They harbor their bitter hatred at being eliminated from the galactic scheme and pass it the rivalry down from generation to generation.

 

I agree with Jello. The Sith are successful at what they set out to do, seek revenge on the Jedi Order.

 

Darth Sidious' master?

Now there would be an interesting EU novel idea...

 

It is in many ways tragic that it requires so much planning for something which is an insignificant dot on a vast timeline of Jedi domination.

-Seldon

 

Considering that the events of TOJ and of KOTOR take place between 3,000-5,000 before TPM I'd say that the events described in the movies (which speak of 'millenia' or 1,000 years) do not contradict each other.

Ditto the Sith - e.g. if you look at Jedi vs Sith you can see that whilst the alien Sith race have died out, the Dark Jedi have fully adopted their culture, technology and dark-side magic traditions.

Seems to me that the revenge that Sidious and Maul speak of have more to do with the destruction of the Sith Lords (as described in JEDI VS SITH) than it does with the 10,000 year old feud.

Jedi vs Sith also features Darth Bane whom was a character created by Lucas (he mentioned many times during the production of TPM).

 

There is the very real possibility that 1,000 years prior to TPM the Republic did fall and was reorganized.

The Knights of the Old Republic storylines have basically established that a Dark Jedi uprising crippled the Jedi Order and brought the Republic to its knees. It also establishes that Darth Revan apaprently encountered the Sith Empire somewhere in the Unknown regions and left to confront them.

The true Dark Lords of the Sith ended with Naga Sadow and Ludo Kressh.

The rest, such as Revan, Malak, and Traya, are fallen Jedi Knights.

Although Revan might have been trained by true Sith, we do not yet know.



The Sith managed to wipe out 9,998 members of a Jedi Order some 11,000-10,000 in strength.
They completely destroyed a 25,000 year old institution.
They killed off every single Old Jedi Master and destroyed basically all Jedi learning materials.

It has taken Luke a couple of decades to rebuild the Jedi Order into some few hundred or thousand members.

I would say that the Sith finally managed to wipe out the Old Jedi Order in the same way that the Old Sith Empire was destroyed.

 

its the nature of evil to only be able to destroy, and not create. sidious got too arrogent and cocky and forgot the prophecy of the chosen one who would restore balance and so when he turned on Vader he overlooked the fact that vader could turn on him. Palpatine could not trust vader and luke together but ended up forcing them together ironic huh.

 

Actually, I'm kind of saddened that so many Star Wars novels and the movies, too are mostly about war and battle, and not so much about healing and (re)building. It's easy to destroy, looks better (imagine all the necessary special effects !) and more entertaining ?

If the GFFA goes on like this, the whole galaxy will be destroyed in several millennia ...