The Sith. why wait 1000 years for revenge

Why did the sith wait a thousand years for revenge and never confront a jedi when its in their nature to add to ther power and brag.

Imagine how many sith lords and apprentices that had come and gone before Darth Sidious and Darth Maul appeared. The Jedi thought the sith were extinct, That means each sith lord in the past had done nothing but train an apprentice and wait to be killed until sidious arrived.

 

Maybe they just were able to secure the good opportunities for
take-over or upheaval as Sids was. No one was positioned better.
Sids was a politician with a lot of power and had powerful alliances.
I'd hazzard a guess and say no other Sith in the last 1000 yrs was in as
good as a position as Sids so none could accomplish as much as he did.

 

None of the Sith except for Sidious were well equipped enough to bring down the Republic and the Jedi Order.

 

I think they were busy acquiring resources and corporations secretly that would help the Sith in the long run...

 

This is the most logical. I think that although they were in hiding, they weren't exactly just waiting around. The Sith are calculating, and the good ones are also patient.

 

A lot of reasons I think. First, not all Sith were as ambitious as Sids. They could practice massive evil quite nicely without taking over the entire galaxy. Second, some would confront the Jedi directly and obviously lose. Sids was the only one who got himself elected Senator, then schemed to become Chancellor and finally Emporer, manipulating the Jedi to basically destroy themselves along the way.

 

Perhaps they couldn't find a speeder that they really liked with an open cockpit and the right speed capabilities.

Actually, I think their revenge was somewhat outside their control. The forces, if not the Force, had to be aligned in such a way, with the creation of the Chosen One, the complacency of the Jedi and the decline and decadence of the Republic to leave the situation ripe for Palpatine to take advantage of it. The past 1,000 years, no matter how long Sidious had been around, were but build up to the right moment, for which he was perfectly suited to reap from that which time and circumstance had sowed.

 

I think most Sith were just content to exist in secret, continuing their legacy and perfecting their art. Most probably thought that they could never defeat the Jedi entirely, and that survival was preferable to extinction.

 

Because patience is a virtue. A patience that endures for a 1000 years is even more virtuous.

 

That could very well have been the nail in the proverbial coffin for Darth Plagues(sp?), Sidious obviously wanted complete control of the galaxy. The fact that his own Master did not have such ambitions (As far as we know) was probably the sign of weakness that Sidious needed to know it was time to murder Plagues and become the new Sith Lord.

 

all these points are correct, i thought about the Chosen One thing, that "the time was right" and ya I think its all prophecy. The prophecy reffered to a "Chosen One who would destroy the Sith forever, and that time was all predicted, when the Sith would finally position themselves for their final strike, the Chosen One would stop them and eliminate them.

By prophecy it was time, and the republic was corrupt and Palpatine, like Hitler, positioned himself in the political system and created and used a crisis to gain power. He rotted the Republic from within, not making the same mistake Naga Sadow did by attacking the Republic from the outside. He is the puppet Master, and manipulation is usually more powerful than sheer strength.

 

Darth Bane learned the value of patience. He realized that the Sith could not just simply regroup and strike back. They had to wait until the time was right for their return. Even if it was long after his death. Patience, which is a valueable asset to the Jedi would become their greatest strength. As we see, time passed and the Republic began to rot from the inside. Everything was moving to this point in time in the films, where the Sith can take control the legal way. Where the Republic would willingly give up control to the Sith, thereby restoring the Empire.

 

It's a bit sad though isn't it? Wait around for a thousand years, set up your Sith Empire and then get wiped out again inside, what, twenty five years? All those Sith who just worked away patiently so that Sidious could have his chance must have been pretty pissed off ... if they weren't dead of course.

 

It seems to contradict the actual Sith credo, where they act out of passion, with a lust for power and the desire to strike down their master.

Why would a tribe like the Sith wait "patiently" for a Sith that would eventually appear when their philosophy appeals to their selfish nature? Why would an ambitious Sith wait any longer for someone who hasn't been born yet to come and take over? How does that benefit the Sith of the "Present," the Sith from, say, 150 Before the Battle of Yavin? Why should he wait? Why should he let some one else take the glory if he feels confident enough to kill his own master and take over?

It doesn't make sense. Patience is a virtue, but the Sith are not virtuous. Their cult is established as the most selfish of the Galaxy, but when it comes to something they would naturally feel entitled to like control of the Galaxy, they turn into a selfless and calm being like a Jedi? Like I said, it doesn't make sense.

 

Ever heard of "adaptation", Loco?

Consider Palpatine's line to Anakin in ROTS: "The Sith and the Jedi are similar in almost every way..."

One adapated to galactic circumstances; the other did not. The former adopted the traits of the latter and exploited the latter for its own ends. Sounds pretty selfish and Sith-like to me.

 

There does seem to be an odd dissparity between the Siths actions on a micro level compared to a macro level.

On the micro/personal level, the Sith are all about getting as much power as they can and as fast as possible. The dark side is "quicker, easier, more seductive" so the Sith turn to it to get power quickly. Also there is no loyalty between master and apprentice, the latter will only wait until he or she is confident that they can kill their master and likewise the master has no qualms in getting rid of one apprentice in favor of another.
Even Sidous was impatient, he killed his master before he could learn the trick to stop people from dying. And if Sidious is not unique in this regard then the Sith lore would decrease from generation to generation as each Sith master is killed before he can teach everything to his apprentice. Thus the apprentice knows less and when he becomes the master he has less to teach his student and will not have time to teach it all as the student will kill him before he is done. Sure there are new things that the Sith might stumble across but still there would be things lost.

But on the macro level the Siths are apparently totally selfless, one Sith lord is content to ignore a possible avenue to power and wait so that some other Sith 200 years from now might have a better chance. Then there is suddenly a great loyalty to other Siths, past or future.

It seems that no Sith has even tried to make a grab for power for 1000 years, was there never a situation where a Sith might think "Now is my time, I make my move now to take advantage of this situation"?

Regards
Nordom

 

They had to wait until the Republic was divided enough, for The Sith to slip through and take control. Without a divided galaxy, and the Jedi Knights spread across the Galaxy fighting a futile war of which they could never win (because The Sith were controlling both sides) The Jedi/Republic would have been able to fight and repel The Sith, as they did a millenia ago.

 

Or, to put it another way, its like how Mr Blair stole the Conservative Party's identity and seized control in the UK, and now the Conservatives are doing the same to him and Labour!

Theres a line running through the PT about people who can't adapt, die. The Sith decided to adapt *some* Jedi traits to keep alive their own existence and ultimtatly used those traits to destory their enemy, who themselves refused or was unable to evolve and adapt.

 

It doesn't make sense. Patience is a virtue, but the Sith are not virtuous. Their cult is established as the most selfish of the Galaxy, but when it comes to something they would naturally feel entitled to like control of the Galaxy, they turn into a selfless and calm being like a Jedi? Like I said, it doesn't make sense.


I agree, thats why Palps is unique. Also the old Republic rotting from within brought about a unique situation. Darth Plagueis seemed like a Sith scientist to me. Other Sith Masters probably had other talents, not requiring much patience or scheming.

 

Any Sith who thought about moving up, was probably eliminated before he or she could do so. It was probably also ingrained into each Sith that past failures came from their inability to be patient. They could spend that time learning everything they could about the dark side, explore every of the Force. Gain the power necessary to move forward, as these teachings would be passed on to future generations.

Palpatine was never interested in learning how to cheat death. He was more afraid of being replaced, because Plaugeis told him that he could create life as well. So Palpatine killed Plaugeis out of fear. As we see, by remaining in the shadows, the Sith were safe and able to thrive. It was about the greater good of the Sith.

 

No Sith knew how to live forever, as evidenced by the fact that well, all the Sith are dead. Because of that, you must assume that the Legacy of a Sith Lord is important. They all wanted to be powerful in life and remembered in Death. None of them wanted to be remembered as the "Sith who brought about the downfall of the Sith." That is an embaressment and somewhat makes Sidious the ultimate failure amongst the Modern Sith. Perhaps there were Sith before him that could have accomplished the same thing but also had the foresight to see rebellion and the fall of the Sith Order in their future. Sure, Sidious held the galaxy under his thumb for a couple of years, but that is hardly worth allowing his entire group to be destroyed.

Carnage

 

I agree. They should have stayed underground, but I think it was the will of the Force that they reveal themselves.

 

fight and repel?

the sith didn't conquer the republic, they subverted it, there is no one to fight and repel.

I guess the jedi could run into the senate and butcher all the senators as they are about to proclaim a sith lord king, other than that i really don't see who there is to fight.

After all Sidious was right when he called Mace a traitor. Logic suggests that even for the jedi council to arrest a sitting chancellor they would need a warrant of some form, instead of getting one the jedi simply did what they wanted, probably in violation of the republics laws.

Nordom makes a lot of sense pointing out this contradiction but it's no more of a contradiction than the passive samauri that lucas calls jedi.

He seems to like to mesh ideas that not only don't share a common foundation but actually conflict with each other.

It seems like a bad idea at face value but unless examined closely as we are in this thread it really works for his stories.

 

Great line! I like it.

Of course it doesn't make sense. Notice a trend here? Of course since GL provides ZERO backstory in the films for why the Sith have to hide, we are left with speculative reasons that don't add up. It is completely out of their nature to wait 1,000 years for vengeance. But why it was necessary? Who knows?

We also don't know why Darth Maul never tries to overthrow Sidious, that's supposed to be a part of Sith nature. No Sith apprentice ever raises a finger at the guy. No one ever breaks the rule of 2. Why not? Sith aren't trustworthy. That should be a basic move for them.

And I also don't see why Palps would be scared of being replaced. He is supposedly happy to have a "powerfullll!" apprentice in ROTS.

The story is just severely lacking in what appears to be a pretty important aspect of the story. What are the Sith really about? Who are they? We have no idea...

 

First off, I wouldn't say the Sith aren't "Virtuous", they just may not share the same virtues that you approve of.

Next, it is pretty obvious why they had to hide. They appear to be ancient enemies. The Jedi did not approve of them being around and the Jedi pretty much ran the show. "Hi, I'm Plagueius and I'm a Sith Lord, if you wish to speak with me, stop in on 666 Eville Path, Coruscant, Coruscant. I'm always willing to entertain guests" would have had the Sith trounced instantly by 100 Jedi.

Darth Maul got killed by a Jedi Padawan, albeit a strong Jedi Padawan, but with his master later shown taking out 3 Jedi Master's in 2 seconds, I don't think Maul was planning on killing his Master anytime soon.

Why isn't he afraid of being replaced? I said before I think that the Sith know one way to live forever right now, and that is by leaving behind a legacy. Had Darth Vader grown to be the most powerful force user ever and established an order that lasted 10000 years, Palpatine would have gone down in history as the one that started it. It's almost like the day that a father, once talented, but unable to repair cars any longer, gives the business that he built from the ground up over to his very talented son. He's past his prime and may not live long, but he gets to be satisfied with the work he put in and be proud for it continue on through his son and hopefully grandson and great grandson...

Carnage