The Whole New Republic and Galactic Alliance Gov. is Confusing!

As we all know in Destiny's Way, Cal Omas created a new constitution called the Galactic Federation of Free Alliances. Now I guess we're supposed to assume this government is supposed to be the joint forces of the New Republic, Empire, Chiss, and Hape's Consortium. But that just doesn't seem right. If the Galactic Alliance is one big Federation over these other smaller governments, then why is the New Republic known as the Galactic Alliance?

If that's really so, then the New Republic rules over the Galactic Alliance, when it should be set up as all four governments ruling over the Alliance, and not just the New Republic. Shouldn't the Galactic Federation of Free Alliances Senate be made up of Imperal, Hapan, New Republic, and Chiss senators, not just New Republic senators? Shouldn't their be a leader for the Galactic Alliance chosen by all four of the governments, not just the New Republic? What I'm trying to say is if this govenrment is is the joint of four smaller governments, why not just keep calling the New Republic the New Republic, instead of reffering as the Galactic Alliance?

Any thoughts? I hope I did'nt make it to hard to understand.

 

argh....too...confusing....it's summer....

lol i get your point, but the NR doesn't exist anymore.

 

But if the New Republic doesn't exist anymore, how does the "Federation" part of it work? For the Federal system, there have to be several levels of government. Let's say, the Galactic Alliance on top, with the Chiss, Hapes, and Remnant governing their issues, but also giving sovereignty to the Alliance.

If, however, the New Republic no longer exists, then former NR worlds are missing a level of the federated government. And if they're being represented in the Alliance itself, then don't they have more influence there than the other members?

I personally think that the whole thing is just one big overly-contrived misnomer, and they should officially drop the whole "Federation" part of the name, as they've done casually, and just have the whole thing as "Alliances between Free Worlds/Governments" or something overly cumbersome like that.

 

They need to just have a new constitution, and still keep the name New Republic.

 

As I understand it, here's how it goes:

The Galactic Federation of Free Alliances is the all encompassing name of the galaxy's governments relationships to one another. The Imperials, former NR, Hapes Consortium all are in alliance with one anohter, but their governments are not. I believe we could basically say this is an alliance of military aid and trade (once that restarts post-war). I do not believe the Chiss are formerly a part of this alliance. The whole point of this alliance is to have a united front against the YV and future foes.

Now the NR turned into to the Galactic Federation (for short, we'll say Federation which BTW I hate because of Star Trek). The Federation includes only those worlds that were formerly NR worlds. The Hapes Consortium, unless it desolves is not apart of this, and neither are the Chiss or Imperials. I believe Hutt Space, Tion Hegemony, and Corporate Sector also reside outside the Federation's borders/boundaries. All those groups rule themselves. I also believe that the Bakurans/Pw'oe will secede from the NR/Federation after the war ends.

The Senate is part of the Galactic Federation, but the reasoning for Omas rewriting the constitution (per DW) is that the Senators were having too much influence on the governing in individual sectors and systems. Omas wants to separate that, and let the Senate do their arguing and legislation, but leave the individual systems for their respective execution of laws.

Assuming, what I've said is right, then this is basically how you can understand it:

The GFFA is analogous to the term Allied Powers from WWII. It does not include a central governing body. But the GFFA consists of many components: Galactic Federation, Hapes, Imperials, Chiss, Hutts, etc. just like the Allied Powers consisted of the US, UK, Australia, USSR, etc.

If the GFFA continues after the war is over, and all these govts. still are on good terms (I doubt it though), then you may see an organization that arises in a diplomatic sense that helps link these governments. We may see Jag Fel become Chiss liason to the Galactic Federation, or something of the like. But there will never be a central government uniting the entire galaxy, unless of course the Vong win the war.

 

Well put T4B!

 

So the Galactic Federation of Free Alliances is one of the free alliances that makes up the Galactic Federation?


Roughly analogous of the UK joining with the US in an alliance called the United States of America?


As I see it. The NR was disolved and nothing replaced it. The GFFA is an entirely different governmental form, which, while occupying the same space, has very little in common.

Again as I see it, they went from the constitution to the articles of confederations, although possibly with a slightly more defined role for the central government. Local systems and system groups which were once a part of the NR now decide their own polcies individually, while working with the GFFA to formulate a larger policies, like defense.

Therefore, in inviting the Empire in, they're inviting it in as one unit not forcing it to split up by world.

I can not believe however that this is an actual improvement unless of course potential problems are crushed by a falling plot device.

 

That's exactly what MasterJediCalrissian is trying to say. It's all really confusing the way this government is set up.

 

I bet in ten or fifteen years when the cleanup is all done from the Vong invasion, the Imperials are going to wind up on top again. And all the great rebel heroes are just going to be standing around scratching their heads saying "how the heck did that happen...?"

 

the problem with the description of the Galactic Federation above is that the Empire and the Chiss and Hapes were not originally represented.

The Galactic Federation is simply the New New Republic. The Bureaucracy is the same...it simply was re-established so the tarnish of the fall of Coruscant and the bad Senate decisions would not effect government in the future.

I believe in Remnant someone makes a comment of skepticism in this regard.

 

The GFFA is just the New Republic with a changed govenment system, and a new name to recognize those changes. The Empire, Hapes, and the others (but not the Chiss, yet)are just allied with this New New Republic against the Yuuzhan Vong.

 

I know they switched the name and all, but something tells me after the Vong war is over they'll refer to it as the New Republic again, more than Galactic Alliance, just like they did when they were switching over from the Rebel Alliance to the New Republic. In the Thrawn Trilogy, Dark Empire trilogy, and some of the other New Republic era novels they still refered to the New Republic as the Rebellion and the Rebel Alliance.

In the Force Heretic Trilogy they referred themselves more to the New Republic than the Galactic Alliance. I remember in Remnant, Cal Omas stated:
"A New Republic presense will certainly help things along."
"That's 'Galactic Alliance' now Cal," Leia said.
Yes of course. That's going to tke some GETTING USED TO."
In Refugee Han stated:
"I mean we still about the New Republic instead of the Galactic Alliance"

See what I mean?

 

Darth_Guy...
It's actually pretty easy to figure out. Provided the title of this government actually has some relationship to the nature of the government (that's not a given), it's the whole, "A federation is an alliance, but an alliance may not be a federation" thing. Inherent in federating anything is the idea that individual sovereignty is given up to a centralized authority, while limited residuary powers may be retained. In terms of politics, it means individual rights are deferred to the central government, but those individuals may be free to set details on how the larger goals are achieved.

This is very much an extremely limited form of an "alliance." An alliance has no such limitations on surrendering of sovereignty, nor on the idea of a centralized authority. An alliance can be between equals.

So, this is very much not redundant, as "Federation of Alliances" is not the same thing as saying "Alliance of Alliances."

Taken at face value, the...
Galactic
Federation of
Free
Alliances
Would have the following characteristics...
1. "Galactic" - Largely propoganda and historical precedent (Galactic Republic, Galactic Empire, etc). One could argue that it means the government is "Galaxy-wide," but this would only hold if it has at the very least a "majority" of territory in the galaxy, or holds the "majority" power in the galaxy. For the most part, this is true for the main government of the Star Wars galaxy.
2. "Federation" - Would mean that the individual "entities" (not known whether it's "sectors," "systems," "planets," or anything else) give up their sovereign power to a central government.
3. "Free" - Again, largely propoganda. One could argue that the nature of being a federation already removes a certain amount of "freedom." Probably has a two-fold purpose for its inclusion: 1. A nod to the philosophical roots as the Alliance of Freee Planets, with "free" being used to directly contrast the Galactic Empire. 2. More a general idea the government wishes to adhere to. The GFFA values "freedom" enough to include it in its name.
4. Alliances - Allows the possibility of diverse individual entities. Taken with "Federation," the word alliances as opposed to "states" or "planets," or "sectors," means that a whole lot of screwy things can go on - of which there's a near-infinite number of possibilities. Above anything else, the individual "Alliances" are the individual institutions making up the Federation, regardless in whatever form that Alliance partner comes in. A totalitarian Imperial dictatorship is a valid partner of the Alliance, as would be a benign dictatorship run essentially by the leadership council of a paramilitary rebellion, as would be evil blue-skinned speciist/racist Stalinists - provided they all value the freedom that the central Federalist authority dictates.

 

Page 442 in DW explains pretty much the nature of the government. In essence, the new constitution changes the old government to a federal system similar to that of the U.S. Except there is no executive branch. As Omas indicates, execution of Senatorial law will fall on the individual systems.

The term "Galactic Alliance" only refers to the combined militaries of the Galactic Federation, Imperial Remnant, and Hapes Consortium. I believe it is the same term used for the Rebel Alliance during the reign of Palpatine, except the Imperials called them rebels. Then, the Galactic Alliance referred to the combined militaries of Mon Mothma, Bail Organa, Garm Bel-Iblis, and the other principle figures. They had no government. This is the same case now in the NJO.

 

They have not been once described as the "Galactic Federation".

It is the "Galactic Alliance".

Period.

Having said that, I find it real stupid on Del Rays part for changing the name from New Republic. They could of very easliy kept the name but given it a new constitution.

Also, from what we have seen so far the GA is not very different from the NR. There is still a Chief of State(Executive), a Senate(Legislative), and a Judicary(Judical). The government seems the same.

Now, I think it is wierd that Destiny's Way made us think that this new gov't was a big deal, when Force Heretic Remnant glosses over the change in a few pages.

My point is that it seems that this whole "new government" idea got quickly brushed over.

Whch begs the question, "Why change it in the first place?"

We may never know.

 

Exactly, that's why I still think that after the Vong War is over with, they'll refer it as the New Republic for while again.

 

Way back in the early Nineties, when Heir to the Empire came out, I had to get used to a new name for my favorite Rebel Alliance. It was called the "New Republic". I got used to it, but it took me a few years. Which wasn't easy, especially when almost all the early Bantam books still called them Rebels from time to time.

I guess with time I will get used to the name "Galactic Alliance".

I still like New Republic better.

 

Genghis12 responded to a post that I didn't make. Cool!

-Evan

 

I was wondering the ame thing too D_G.

 

Way back in early nineties, when Heir to Emepire came out, I had to get used to the new for my favorite Rebel Alliance. It was called the "New Republic". I got used to it, but it took me a few years.

Thanks AdmiralNick22, I really needed to hear those words. I thought I would never get used to the Galactic Alliance name, I guess because in the Expanded Universe, every book revloved around fighting and dying for "The New Republic". It just ticks me off to see them just throw it away not willing to set the government right again and heal back to power. If anyone wants a government to work, they have to stick by it no matter if it's own it's last leg. The Empire is a perfect example. No matter how bad things got, they kept thier same basic governmental structure throughout the thick and thin.

 

The Galactic Alliance (or the Galactic Federation of Free Aliances) is very similar to the European Union, only possibly a little more closely related.

There are numerous independed states, which include the Empire, the Tion Hedgemony, and the various sectors which made up the New Republic, which all have a say in the GFFA, but none of them control it. Each member state has its own military and makes its own decisions regarding legislation in that system/section/region. All of the members of the Galactic Alliance work together towards a common goal, they do not pose a threat to each other militarily, they work together economically, and the "Senate" legislates over matters which concern more than one of the sector/system/regions which are represented in the Senate.

While many New Republic systems are represented in the new government, they are not represented in the same way. The planet Chandrila, which once differed a majority of its decision-making power to the senate of the New Republic and sent a single senator to Coruscant to represent only that one planet, now makes most of its own decisions for itself, does not consider itself part of the New Republic, and may not send a senator to Mon Calamari, but can be represented by a Senator who represents all the planets in that region of the Core as a whole. This way there are far fewer senators (as was stated in FH:1) and each senator has much more power than before. While in the time of the New Republic, the Tion Hedgemony might have sent three senators and the Corellian Sector may have sent ten to represent them, both are now represented by a single uber-senator who speaks for the entire region. So, the Empire would not send eight senators for each of its sectors, but it would send one to speak for all of the people of the area known as the Empire.

Cal Omas is not a sovereign ruler over the galaxy anymore. He is more of a chairman who presides over the senate and administers to the organizations which are specifically handled by the Galactic Alliance, like the new High Council.

The Galactic Alliance does not have a military, but the member states have militaries to defend their ideological regions. While in the New Republic times, Hapes and Tion would be required to hand over a portion of their military to the galactic government, now they handle their own defense by themselves. Instead of appealing to the galactic government (which used to be the NR and is now the GFFA) they instead appeal to other regions of the galaxy which have fleets of their own. There is no military which the GA can send into battle, but they can create plans and appeal do different militaries in the hope that they will go along with the plan for the sake of the greater good. This is what happened at Ebaq 9.

Sien Sovv calls himself the supreme commander of the Galactic Alliance military, but that is only a title. Even though he personally controlls fleets which come from a variety of different sectors which once made up the New Republic, his ships are only there because the individual sectors decided to hand them over to him.

Bel Iblis, who used to be under Sovv's command, now controlls the militaries which make up the defensive fleet of the sector which Fondor is in. His authority there didn't come from the Galactic Alliance, it came from the planets around Fondor which gave him that power. Sovv can not give orders to Bel Iblis' fleet, nor can he give orders to Grand Admiral Pellaeon's fleet, or to the Jedi fighter squadrons (if there are any left, that is). He can, however give orders to Farlander and Krey'fey, who control parts of the fleet which was handed over to Sovv by several independent sectors.

The Bothans, whose defense relied upon the New Republic (as seen in the Agent's of Chaos duelogy) is no doubt handled by the Bothan Sector and by the senator who represents them in the Galactic Alliance senate. Sovv and Cal Omas can not give orders to the Bothans, but he can suggest and ask for their assistance, and hope that they will comply out of their good

 

The Galactic Alliance is simply a re-formed New Republic. It DOES NOT include the Empire, the Chiss, the Hapans, or any other non-NR governments.

-Evan

 

An excellent point, this thread!

You now have to call it by the full shortened name, "Galactic Alliance", each and every time to avoid referring to just the previous Alliance.

Why couldn't it just be the New Republic? The combined military treaties of any power joining the GFFA---like New Rep, Empire, Chiss, Hapes, and others---calling themselves the Galactic Alliance?