The Zhell are the TRUE SITH... (Proof inside!)

INTERESTING BIG OLD NEWS:

http://boards.theforce.net/Message.aspx?topic=23803387&brd=10003&start=23906623
following this topics discussion I present this in a separate topic because it is of a wider concern than just what the other topic discusses.

Coruscant and the Core Worlds sourcebook mentions in the article about the Ice Caverns, in which mumified Zhell bodies where found, tells, THAT:

archeologists think they heard the words "korah matah" whispered in the caves.. like if the dead Zhell speak to them.

so this..

1) tells us that the Zhell language is the language from the Sith chants of the episode 1 soundtrack?

2) does this imply the Sith speak the ancient Zhell language or the ancient Zhell speak the SITH language, meaning they are direct Sith ancestors.

Second option is further supported by the named sourcebook which mentions:

The Zhell Leaders were called LORDS like with the Sith.
The Zhell practiced tombs and mumifying, like the later Sith species.
The Zhell entombed with the dead living beings like the later Sith species.


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yes.. it seems the humans = Zhell (New Essential Chron) ARE the TRUE SITH, or one member species of the True Sith if it consists of several species.

this is big news and has great impact on the other events we discussed!

f.e. the named sourcebook goes on to mention:

after the Zhell lost against the Taung in the Dha Wherda Verda battle, the Taung ruled the volcanic world, not leaving!!! and the Zhell hid or died entombed fleeing to the poles.


So.. did the Rakata remove the Taung? Or did a Taung vs. Zhell rematch have the Zhell win? or did the Taung leave because of what unknown other reason then?

 

Since when have the DotF lyrics been used as the in-universe Sith language? Not exactly what I'd call proof.

 

Which Sith Chant do you refer to?

Also, if the Zhell are humans, and so were many of the Dark Jedi who came to the Sith, wouldn't they carry the same language and culture?

 

- The Sith like to mummify their dead... JUST LIKE EGYPTIANS!
- The Sith like to wear goofy hats... JUST LIKE EGYPTIANS!
- The Sith like to write in heiroglyphics... JUST LIKE EGYPTIANS!
- The Sith had a leader who was worshipped as a god... JUST LIKE EGYPTIANS!
- The Sith had a caste system... JUST LIKE EGYPTIANS!
- The Sith buried their dead in big ornate tombs with curses on them... JUST LIKE EGYPTIANS!

Therefore, the True Sith are Egyptians.

 

He's referring to the lyrics of Duel of the Fates, which are Sanskrit, not ancient Sith. Sorry, Ceiran, but this one doesn't even hold up as well as a McEwok.

 

From CCW (p16):

"Curators who pace the empty tunnels at night swear they can hear the echoes of the dead, whispering the mysterious words 'korah mahtah...'"

We only have the word of some seemingly paranoid curators for this. And, moreover, IMO it's just a throwaway line designed to make Star Wars fans go, "Kewl!"

 

it is in our real world sanskrit, but in universe it IS the sith language, the ancient sith language. latin is used in aurek besh on sith holocrons, seen in visual dictionary, and sanskrit chants are used inuniverse and called sithchants in the novels and darth maul's journal as well as other minor works.

it is relevant, if you like it or not!

 

Still, the Zhell were Coruscanti, as were the Dark jedi who departed later. So it's really nothing too new

 

Regardless, in-universe, we only have the word of those curators as "proof". Doesn't mean a thing, especially not to explain something as big as your proposition.

 

Where are you getting this from?

Bastardizations of latin are used to make stuff look old.

Sith chants may be mentioned, but they're never conencted to Sanskrit or the song Duel of the Fates. In fact, OOU, when Sanskrit derivations are used in the movies, they're always positive. Padme and Yoda both come from Sanskrit words. What's to say Duel of the Fates isn't an ancient Jedi chant?

Sorry. Cookie?

 

So... the Naboo had a penchant for giving their kids Sith names?

 

If the Naboo were the Sith, now THAT would be interesting

They do have that whole "Elegant" but slightly primitive tech thing going on. As far as possibilities go, the Naboo could be a part of the Ancient Sith that broke off to live in peace.

Would Make Palps, Padme and the Skywalker Lineage more intersting

 

well the sith chants were named and the sith chant dialogue was the sanskrit text in those books I talk about^^

 

I'm looking for it on the internet, but the only thing I can find is the Sith "code" from Darth Maul's journal, which I read and don't recall any Sanskrit. You're the only person that's mentioned Sith chants (not even Wookieepedia mentions the Sanskrit being Sith chants...seriously, search Wookieepedia for "Sanskrit") so that's...interesting. I guess further research must be done.

 

And even then, it doesn't mean anything. Han can reportedly speak a bit of Shyriiwook, but he's not going to start moulting on the carpet and refusing to wear any pants.

As Qui-Gon Jinn said, the ability to speak does not make you intelligent. And the ability to speak Sith does not make you Sith.

 

No, the Goa'uld are Egyptians.

So the True Sith are Goa'uld.

 

I always thought that The Sith of Kaan's time (a bit before) were organized a bit like the System Lords. Back when the Sith had a lot of territories and the Republic/Jedi Few.

 

>>>No, the Goa'uld are Egyptians.

So the True Sith are Goa'uld. <<<

That completely explains the symbiote-looking things in Visionaries: Sithisis...

And would make Kessel the home of the True Sith, since its depiction in Namco's old NES Star Wars game has a gigantic Egyptian temple.

 

I think the point is that if it were valid, it would point to a connection of some sort. However, there doesn't seem to be any evidence that it's valid, so far.

 

So wait... you are saying that the Duel of the Fates music from Episode I could be heard by Darth Maul, Obi-Wan, and Qui-Gon as well?

 

What he's saying was that the lyrics to Duel of the Fates were written in ancient Sith, in the same way that the lyrics to the soundtrack of the Lord of the Rings movies were written in the Tolkien-crafted languages of Middle Earth. The lyrics to Duel of the Fates, however, are Sanskrit.

 

I know, I was just making a silly joke.

 

See? The supposed Vergere/Sith connection isn't a sure thing!