Theories on how Anakin '' Dies''

okay we know that there will be an awsome lava fight at the end of the movie but how do you think Anakin gets knocked in here are my 3 theories:


Anakin and Obi-Wan are fihting dangerously close to a cliff below Lava Obi-Wan blocks two blows from Anakin and chops Anakin arm clean off

Obi-Wan: Anakin please don't make me do this come back you can't do this let go of your hate

Anakin: and be a slave again my life before this was nothing but a wreck I was a slave as a child and a slave as a jedi now you want me to come back no Anakin Skywalker is Dead and Darth Vader is born.

Obi-Wan: what would your mother think.

Anakin smiles and takes a step back he is now standing on the edge he puts his arms outward.

Obi-Wan: Anakin no don't

Anakin: the empire will destroy the rest of you ( throws lightsaber at Obi-Wan) Rest In Peace.

he throws himself off the cliff.


or


Anakin is beating Obi-Wan in a life or death duel Obi-Wan is beaten.

Anakin: now it is finished the slave master dies.

Anakin raises his lightsaber over his head he is prepared to swing when the ghost of Qui-Gon Jinn makes the volcano erupt causing lave to over take anakin forceing him off the cliff.

or

Padme is watching Obi-Wan and Anakin duel Anakin knocks Obi-Wan down he raises his lightsaber over his head

Padme: Anakin no

Padme jumps on Anakins back triend to knock him down but Anakin throws her off but he also accidently throws her off the cliff but he quickly grabs her before she falls but by the japor snippit necklace it breaks causing pame to fall into the lava. Obi-Wan quickly gets up and forces Anakin off the cliff but he is holding on for dear life.

Obi-Wan: I was right you are dangerous it ends here.

Obi-Wan steps on anakins fingers causing him to fall Obi-Wan picks up Anakin's lightsaber and the japor snippit necklace and walks off.

 

Do we know there will be a "lava" fight?

 

Do we know there will be a "lava" fight?

I think so.

George Lucas: "I knew that he [Anakin] had been in a lot of battles, and at one point I thought that he had had a confrontation with Ben and Ben had sent him into a volcano."

Return of the Jedi Novelization:[Obi-Wan speaking] "When I saw what had become of him, I tried to dissuade him, to draw him back from the dark side. We fought...your father fell into a molten pit. When your father clawed his way out of the fiery pool, the change had been burned into him forever--he was Darth Vader, without a trace of Anakin Skywalker"


Return of the Jedi Novelization: [Vader's thoughts as he dies] "Obi-Wan, his friend...and how that friendship had turned. Turned he knew not how-but got injected, nonetheless, with some uncaring virulence that festered, until...hold. These were memories he wanted none of, not now. Memories of molten lava, crawling up his back...no."

Personally, I subscribe to the theory it takes place in a Sith throne room beneath Coruscant.

StarWars.com Databank: "In its earliest incarnation, the Emperor's throne room was not aboard the Death Star at all, but rather deep below a palace on the capital world, overlooking a lake of lava."

Ralph McQuarrie quote: "The Emperor was going to be in a cave surrounded by lava. The throne room was down in the lower levels of what turns out to be the Empire's headquarters planet. I imagined it to be dark and spooky with enormous buildings and a metal surface and, down below, huge avenues like on Wall Street in Manhattan. George stated that he wanted a planet that was a city with endless built-up areas. In my mind it was built a thousand years ago, layer after layer. The Emperor's office would be at the bottom of it, so far down that you would have lava."

 

there has to be a lava fight, it was written on the back of all the Darth Vader toys in the bio section and is written in all the original Galaxy Guides and Encyclopidias, before Georgy Boy decided to disregard all star wars history and contridict himself through and through.

Anyways on to the discussion. I think that is would be better if OBwan would loose it and fall to the dark side for a while, go bonkers and kick anis but into the lava. You know vader holds back not wanting to hurt Obwan cause he loves him, just like he does with luke in rotj. This betray and then the diasappearance of of his wife, who thinks he is dead becaue the what ben tells her, leads to his rage. Luckily the Emperor is around to pull him out and complete the recruiting and transformation complete. Yeah i know that this has its problems, first of all it is consetent with the older movies, and judeing from the last two prequels george is avoiding that all together, and that it has a meaningful plot twist, that would explain the darker troubled side of OBWAN i the OG movies. anyways thats how i think it should happen

 

before Georgy Boy decided to disregard all star wars history and contridict himself through and through.

Oh boo-hoo.

 

all i am asking for is a little consistency, is that really to much to as for.

 

I have always had the idea that Obi Wan and Anakin are fighting in an industrial,mechanical place,with lava all around them,in a factory of sorts.And Anakin has Obi on the ground and is about to kill him when Obi throws his saber at a large crane arm and it falls underneath into the lava and it slashes up.. all over Anakin

 

i head anikan fall in eth lava

 

all i am asking for is a little consistency, is that really to much to as for.

It's George's movies. He can contradict what other people have come up with all he wants.


I don't think that Anakin falls into lava. It's just too unrealistic, even for Star Wars. I guess that if lava has anything at all to do with it, he'll get injured because he gets too close to the lava or it splatters on him or something.

I just hope that if Anakin does fall into lava, it's somehow convincing that he could survive it.

 

all i am asking for is a little consistency, is that really to much to as for.

Please name and explain two major inconsistencies in Episodes I & II that contradict the original trilogy.

Can you? Or are you just a pessimistic PT-basher-for-no-reason?

 

Good post Aesop, theres alot of PT bashers... for no reason.

 

For starters you have the problem with obi wan talking about all the training with Yoda in the OT and never speaks a word about his fallen master Qui-Gon. Also yoda seems to never seems to mention anything about padawans or mediclorines to luke. Or the use of battle droids in the clone wars. Last time i checked it was a clone war not a clone vs. droid war There are only a few there are more just sit down and watch the movies together in a week they will show up. Besides this there are numerous additional contradictions with EU writing, and i am not talking about recent books, but stuff that has been around for 15 or so years. aka Boba Fetts lineage, where the death star came from etc. And i understand that George gets the final say in all of this, but couldnt he have educated himself a little bit or not authorized such writings to be put out in the first place. I mean he does get the final say on things, he is even quoted on approving various twist that happen in the EU.

and lets assume that these arent valid reasons to hate the first two episodes, because i know like anything you can loop hole away and number of contradiction especially if you really want them to go away.

So here are more reasons that i hate the Prequals thus far.
Reason number one by far is the lame parallel system that GL has put into play as well as his rediculas cameos. Examples are life debt of Chewy, life debt of Gungans, ewoks and gungans or wookies in the new movie. here is a list of characters that shouldnt even be in the movie C3po, chewbacca, r2d2, lars, uncle owen aunt beru, ect. etc. and i could go on and on...

one last reason i hate it...yaddle, come on now yoda is an unknown species but now theres two of them...

but if that isnt enough for you check out these sites that give ample reasons the hate these as movies.

http://www.lanceandeskimo.com/chefelf/rnt_64reasons1-10.shtml

http://www.lanceandeskimo.com/chefelf/rnt_78reasons.shtml
not only entertaining, but informative too!!!

ps
where is the Gran Moff in all of this, does he just appear and become second in charge of the empire(even giving lord vader orders in the OT)

and whats with the yoda not being able to since any sith, especially when one is in the room with him, or perhaps a clone being controlled by the Darth Sidious. Obi wan can feel a planet blow up , but yoda and mace cant identify the Dark Lord across the room.

 

Here goes --

For starters you have the problem with obi wan talking about all the training with Yoda in the OT and never speaks a word about his fallen master Qui-Gon.

As a youngling, Obi-Wan probably did train under Yoda. As he is the head of the Jedi Council, most padawans probably were instructed by Yoda to some degree. Your phrase, all the training, certainly is an overstatment, it was a quick way for ben to give Luke an idea of who Yoda was. Obi-Wan saying that he had learned from him instantly gave Luke respect for Yoda.

Also yoda seems to never seems to mention anything about padawans or mediclorines to luke.

They were of no use or importance to Luke at that point. He was told only what was necessary to aid in saving the Galaxy.

Or the use of battle droids in the clone wars. Last time i checked it was a clone war not a clone vs. droid war

Trivial. Plus, the whole world did not fight in World War I or II and certainly the United States was not the only side in the American Revoloution, nor was Mexico the sole participant of the Mexican war.

Besides this there are numerous additional contradictions with EU writing, and i am not talking about recent books, but stuff that has been around for 15 or so years. aka Boba Fetts lineage, where the death star came from] etc. And i understand that George gets the final say in all of this, but couldnt he have educated himself a little bit or not authorized such writings to be put out in the first place. I mean he does get the final say on things, he is even quoted on approving various twist that happen in the EU.

AHA, wait! I thought you said George was contradicting himself, not various other authors whose works take a distant second place as far as cannon in the Star Wars empire.


Reason number one by far is the lame parallel system that GL has put into play as well as his rediculas cameos. Examples are life debt of Chewy, life debt of Gungans, ewoks and gungans or wookies in the new movie. here is a list of characters that shouldnt even be in the movie C3po, chewbacca, r2d2, lars, uncle owen aunt beru, ect. etc. and i could go on and on...

I'm not really undertanding what you're trying to say there, but as the series is told by R2-D2 and C-3PO, I figure they certainly need to be in.

one last reason i hate it...yaddle, come on now yoda is an unknown species but now theres two of them...

This -- like the rest of your post -- is something you personally dislike, not an inconsistency.

but if that isnt enough for you check out these sites that give ample reasons the hate these as movies.

http://www.lanceandeskimo.com/chefelf/rnt_64reasons1-10.shtml

http://www.lanceandeskimo.com/chefelf/rnt_78reasons.shtml
not only entertaining, but informative too!!!

Certainly not enough for me, so I'll find time to check those sites out.

ps
where is the Gran Moff in all of this, does he just appear and become second in charge of the empire(even giving lord vader orders in the OT)

But you were just whining about other main OT characters being in the Prequels!

and whats with the yoda not being able to since any sith, especially when one is in the room with him, or perhaps a clone being controlled by the Darth Sidious. Obi wan can feel a planet blow up , but yoda and mace cant identify the Dark Lord across the room.

I'm sure thousands, millions, maybe billions of lives on that planet dying and the physical destruction of the planet itself caused a much bigger, harder to disguise, disturbance in the force.

EDIT:

Okay, first site:

The Title

I liked the title.

"I shouldn't have come back."

Now did that one line really cause you to hate the PT? You're reading way too much into it, shes speaking that she was in danger and for her own safety -- or that of her decoy -- she should not have come back.

Dissing Yoda

It didn't come off that way to me at all, and again, you're nitpicking, searching for things to

 

you asked for two inconsistencies so i gave two, there are more, but in the en they are small as you said. for fun here is one, aninken is always talked about being a great fighter pilot, yet we never see him ever getting close to flying a ship besides the pods. I mean luke had years of practice in beggars conyon, does anikin just become the greatest pilot ever in the last movie. there are a whole lot more "little ones" which equal one huge one for an analytic like me. The rest of the post is in respounse to the comment of the post above mine that stated "a lot of people are PT haters for no reason" i was merely stating my reasons. As far as george contradicing the EU as i said that is his right after all they are his movies. but the thing is that people who agree with me would have never had problems with this if is story was better than the ones written in the EU. which i regretfully say it not.
Lastly, the reason i complain about a few charaters not making an appearence in these movies yet is that they need to be there. Moff tarkin is second in charge of the galaxy, he needs to be there. Where as a mojority of these cameos are just gimmicky appearences to make the crowd go "wow look its...". Which is fine the first time you see the movie, but after watching it oh 1 1/2 times all the appeareance coupled with the cheesy one liners equals a gimmicky movie, not charming, enthralling emotionally involving movies that the OT were.

oh sigh...big deal 78 or 64 times does equal a "big deal"

 

Aesop, i have read the ROTJ novelization,
i meant that GL may let it be a pool of acid
or fire or similar.
I don´t think he necessairly will follow what is said in this book. In that case we know OB1 will see Anakin crawl out of it, for example ("when your father clawed his way out of the fiery pool...").

"...in a Sith throne room on Coruscant"

The throne room is a great idea, i would prefer though, if it were located on some un-
inhabited planet far away, some mystic dark place.

"...aninken is always talked about being a great fighter pilot..."

Never heard. Great pilot (OBI-WAN: When i first met him, he was already a great pilot. (Or similar. Most certainly reffering to Anakin´s success in the podrace)), but not fighter pilot.
"...yet we never see him ever getting close to flying a ship besides the pods"

Hrm, ever watched "Episode I: The Phantom Menace" ?

 

oh you mean when he puts the ship on auto pilot, then when he bumbles around long enough to get it off auto piolet he does a couple of "neat" tricks, and finishes just in time to crash land in the droid ship and then while shooting randomly says lets try this one, or something to that effect and by chance hits the power core of the ship. Yeah what great piloting, ready for battle at the drop of a hat.

But you know you are probably right. Obi was probably refering to the news of how great a pilot he had become after he met him, you know heard it on the news on his satilite dish out in the middle of the tattoine desert.

as for the "death" scene i hope your right, about the fiery lava acid whatever pit under corosant. and i hope i am right too about thinking that it is OBiwan falling to the dark side for a brief stint, and while enraged drives anikan into the lava. GL at this point could show a confused anikan trying to defend himself from OBiwan, but not fighting back out of emotional confusion. this would correlate with when vader holds back not wanting to kill luke in rotj cause he loves him, . This betrayal and then the diasappearance of his wife, who thinks he is dead becaue the what ben tells her, leads to his rage. Luckily the Emperor is around to pull him out or aid him after he crawls out, and then finishes manipulating anikin into vader, complete with new name, suite and tranning. I think this would also explain the darker troubled side of OBWAN in the OT movies. Maybe it is just me, but he always seemed deeply troubled. Yeah i know that this has its theory has its problems, and is nothing more than this fans dillution of grandure, but i still think it would make for an interesting twist.

 

"...he does a couple of "neat" tricks..."

Well, he takes out the whole ship, and with that the entire droid army.
All this, done by a little boy who´ve never before flied a starship.
I guess that´s something only chosen ones can do.

"...heard it on the news on his satilite dish..."

Perhaps. Or Qui-Gon told him. About him.
Winning that race. And then Obi-Wan thought:
"Oh my, that kid is really a great pilot."

 

re read the post... he distroys the ship by accedent. Never does he appear to be planning any of it. It is all haphazzard, perhaps an attempt at humor.

as for the satalitte dish comment. That was an exageration based on the idea that pod raceing, and haphazered flying doesnt equal a great piulot. and i know that you can justify all of this by adding all the side story you want, but it doesnt change the fact that OBIWan talks about him being a great pilot. and that is never exhbited in the movies thus far. and dont mention the speeder chase aka car chase either, i am sure there is an imense difference between that and actually flying a star fighter, or any star ship period.

 

"...he destroys the ship by accedent"

Or, the force is extremely strong in him, as some may explain it.

"...podraceing, and haphazered flying doesnt equal a great piulot."

He won the whole race, although he was just a little boy, and despite the fact that humans aren´t "alert" enough to be able to drive those vehicles at such high speed.
I think it could be this race that OB1 refers to when he says "great pilot".

 

i couldnt agree more with you that he has special abilities, and that he was a great POD racer, but i still mantain that POD racing is not piloting any more than nascar is jet flying, or jet flying is space craft piloting. There are indiscrepincies, small yes, but still there

 

LOOK THIS THREAD WAS FOR THEORIES ABOUT HOW ANAKIN " DIES" NOW PLEASE GET BACK ON TOPIC YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMTHING COMPLETLY DIFFERENT STOP TALKING ABOUT HOW MANY ABILITIES ANAKIN HAS AND TALK ABOUT HOW HE " DIES".

 

MasterKingsama how dare you talk about star wars like that if you don't like star wars then why are you here me I love star wars and so does everyone that posts here I find nothing wrong with any of the movies they should fixz the effects in ANH but thats it it George Lucas's vision not yours if he wants tomake the movies one way it's his descision not yours if he wants to put Jar Jar in ANH and chop up people with a lightsaber he can if you don'yt like it you can send him a letter or you can give him you money back for watching his movies

 

i know everyone here is passionate about starwars, but kingsama makes some good points-i LOVE starwars, but that doesn't mean there is no room for critisicm or comments-i don't think we should all kiss JL ass -yes, he has the right to do whatever he wants in these movies, but that doesn't mean he does a great job. i personally think the PT is pretty weak-have i seen the films more than once? yes, of course! i can't wait for ep III, but i have to agree, a child 'accidentally' and 'haphazzardly' desroying that droid control ship was a little far fetched IMO...

 

I think that he trips on his own, and Obi Wan we actually be sad to see him fall, after all, he never wanted to fight his Padawan. He will fall because his over onfidence is his weakness. As we saw in AOTC.

 

to doubt my love of star wars cuts like a knife...if i didnt love it so much i wouldnt complain, besides i have made two inputs into how i think he shuld go out, other people challengeds me so i respounded. i think it is cause i love it so much that it bothers me so much...i see great potential and GL, who has the right to do this , has not come close to that.