"There is no such thing as Luck"

First of all I personally don't belive in luck either.

But is it not ironic that Ben says that when his whole life is dominated by bad luck.

He and Qui-Gonn just happen to find Anakin the chosen one.

Qui-Gonn then dies and Obi gets stuck with Anakin.

It just so happens that Anakin turns to the dark side and Obi-Wans life is turned upside down.

And then Obi-Wan just happens to get stuck in the Death Star even though they were not trying to get there.

The Irony

Darth-Seldon

 

My memory is bad, when did Ben say his life is dominated by bad luck?

 

Right, he never said that in the films.

 

He never says that, however that would be the whole point of the thread. While he says that there is no such thing as luck, his whole life would seem to be governed by luck, either bad or good. While I don't agree with that myself, that is the point Darth-Seldon is trying to make.

All that seems to be luck Obi Wan would simply say was the will of the force. However there are a couple of points that you make that I wouldn't interpret as luck, from any point of view.

"Qui-Gonn then dies and Obi gets stuck with Anakin"

Well it's not luck that Qui-Gonn dies he is killed by someone that was probably a more skilled warrior then he is. Obi Wan chooses to be stuck with Anakin, he doesn't have too.

"It just so happens that Anakin turns to the dark side and Obi-Wans life is turned upside down."

Some might say that this is a result of bad training, one of those people being Obi Wan himself.

 

Jedi usually don't believe in coincidence, so bad luck is usually an academic concept to them. A cliche they say from time to time but not something they pay much credence to.

Now obi-wan's life was governed not by bad luck, for Jedi there is no such thing as bad luck, but an unhappy destiny down an unwanted path of events.

 

Do you think that ep3 will contain something to give Obi-Wan's line in ANH some new or deeper meaning, or at least something to refer back to?

Remember, he says "In my experience", not "In my opinion" or something like that. I wonder if we'll see any of his experiences that would tie into that statement.

 

Things happening by coincidence is not exactly the same thing as having good or bad luck.

If you have bad luck, you already have a predisposition to having bad things happen to you. It's already been decided (by whoever/whatever) that bad things will keep happening to you.

On the other hand, if you don't have bad luck but bad things happened to you, then they happened simply because that's how it happened. Just coincidence, nothing much you can do about it, that's simply what happened.

I can understand Ben believing in the latter, not the former. He wouldn't believe that bad things will happen to him no matter what he does; otherwise, he wouldn't have taken all the actions that he has taken to take care of Luke and all.

 

All that I am saying is that IF you look at the films from a certain view point THEN you will notice that the luck line actually makes sense. I am merely pointing out the irony that MAYBE Lucas was using, maybe not.

I don't belive in luck
I know Ben and the Jedi don't either.
I'm looking at it from a writer's perspective.

Darth Seldon

 

So where did Ben say that his life is dominated by bad luck, again?

 

People, all he needed was a comma.

But is it not ironic that Ben says that when his whole life is dominated by bad luck.

It should have read....

But is it not ironic that Ben says, "There is no such thing as Luck" when his whole life is dominated by bad luck?

The word "THAT" in his sentence referred to the title. Come on people, of course he didn't say it was dominated by luck. Silly!!!!

 

But is it not ironic that Ben says, "There is no such thing as Luck" when his whole life is dominated by bad luck?

It depends on whether you consider those events to be luck of fate.

 

luck is the Will of the Force....like when obi killed maul, maul was surprised, and it wasnt luck that allowed obi to kill him...

 

People, all he needed was a comma.

Wow, that sucks. Amazing how confused I can get over one small thing.

 

Once again I will say this.

Ben says "In my experience there is not such thing as luck."

That quote is ironic because if you look at his life from a certain view point it would seem like his life was dominated by bad luck.

D-S

 

First of all I personally don't belive in luck either.

But is it not ironic that Ben says that when his whole life is dominated by bad luck.

Isn't it ironic that you just said his life is dominated by something you don't believe in? His life isn't dominated by bad luck or good luck or any luck, it's dominated by the way things go and the will of the Force (as is customary in the SW universe).

-sj loves kevin spacey

 

It may have already been said, but Obi-Wan was suggesting that there is no such thing as luck...

"Luck" is the will of the Force, and it applies to everyone, even smuggler scoundrels.

 

I don't belive in luck.

But in the story which Lucas wrote, Is it not ironic that Ben's life could be interperted as being dominated by bad luck. Bad luck could be the force. I am merely pointing out the irony in the story.

 

Directly from the Novelization of ANH,page 123:
"I told you you could," Kenobi informed him with pleasure. "Once you learn to trust your inner self there'll be no stopping you. I told you there was much of your father in you."

"I'd call it luck," snorted Solo as he concluded his examination of the readouts.

"In my experience there is no such thing as luck,my young friend---only highly favorable adjustments of multiple factors to incline events in one's favor."

"Call it what you like," the Corellian sniffed indifferently, "but good against a mechanical remote is one thing. Good against a living menace is another."

 

It should be remembered that Luke had just taken a huge step forward in his ability to use the Force and it's understandable that Kenobi might not like Solo trying to explain away Luke's accomplishment by calling it 'luck.'


Also, Kenobi has devoted his entire life to understanding the Force and has lived for decades as a recluse. It's possible he's not pleased to hear how willing Han is to believe in anything except the Force.

 

I think Mateo is pointing out something. The quote is being taken out of context. Ben isn't really talking about luck in life.

Think about what's going on during the speakin of this line. Luke just blocked some of the remote's shots while, from Han's point of view, he was essentially blinded. Han didn't believe it was the force or some special ability that allowed Luke to still block the shots. He just thought it was luck.

Obi Wan's line is in reference to what Luke just did, and similar things Obi Wan has done having nothing to do with luck.

 

*sigh* Guys, it's really simple.

What most people call luck = What Jedi call "the will of the Force"

Therefore: if you're a smuggler, then, "...pokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a blaster...".
If you're a Jedi, then "it was the will of the Force".

 

AHHHHHHHHH!!!!

Everything I say will be twisted. Now I want you all to listen carfully.

I know Ben was not talking about his life.
What is IRONIC is that he does stated he does not belive in luck. But from a writing stand point it ironic that his whole life was dominated by bad luck.

Say what you want after this. I know you can twist it. I have had it with this thread.