This facility is crude....

I was thinking back to the part in ESB when Han gets encased in carbonite. I am not anywhere that I can watch the movie right now, but I'm pretty sure that Vader says something along the lines of "This facility is crude, but it should be sufficient to freeze Skywalker for his journey to the Emporer". The important part is I am positive he says something about taking him to the Emporer. From what we know of Vader's intentions, this is not consistent. He did not want to turn Luke over to his Master, he wanted Luke to join him. So what was he going to do if he actually was able to freeze Luke? You can't exactely turn him when he's incased in Carbonite, and I'm sure the fact that he had captured young Skywalker wouldn't have remained a secret for long.

"What is thy bidding my Master?"
"Lord Vader, care to explain what is hanging on the wall behind you?"
"It is a reminder, a life sized replica of Young Skywalker encased in carbonite so that I may keep my eye on the prize."
"Lord Vader, you are a poor liar. Couldn't you have come up with something better than that?"
"Sorry Master, I wanted to uhm, surprise you by presenting this gift to you in person."
"In person as in both of you full of anger, lightsabres blazing, coming to overthrow me, so you could rule the galaxy as father and son?"
"Where would you get such an idea Master? I have always been your loyal servent. I would never try something like that."
"Lord Vader, I know of your conversation with Padme, before I had to reconstruct you."
"Err, who's Padme?"
"Lord Vader you idiot, the whole "Anakin Skywalker is dead" thing is just an analogy, a play on words type thing. We both know what's going on here. Bring your son to me so that I may twist him to my bidding. When he is strong enough, I'll have him kill you. Untill then you are reassigned....to patrol Tatooine."
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

Carnage

 

Vader was going to trap Luke and freeze him for his journey to the Emperor, so Vader didn't have to deal with him. I assume that once Vader and frozen Luke arrived on Coruscant they were going to unfreeze Luke, and then we'd see the exact same dillemma as we saw on the Death Star above Endor.

 

"This facility is crude, but it should be adequate to freeze Skywalker for his journey to the Emperor"

Close enough Carnage

Anyway, I don't think Vader's intentions were what he was relaying at all when he was talking to Lando or Boba Fett. He was more or less name dropping in order for them to take his request even more seriously than they normally would. Not that they don't take Vader seriously, but they certainly don't want to anger Vader and the Emperor. Besides, what he was saying was true, for all intensive purposes.

Also, he definitely isn't stupid enough to blurt out his true intentions to the likes of Fett, Calrissian, Storm Troopers, and the other Imperial commanders - and take a chance on it getting back to the Emperor. He's playing the good apprentice.

 

Carnage04, well, Vader did initially want to turn Luke to the Dark Side. There's probably nothing darker than being encased inside a block of carbonite. Once inside one must have very, very low visibility.


As for you, DarthButt, "for all intensive purposes" may be, in fact, true when it comes to Vader as he is quite intense; however, I believe the phrase for which you were trying to reach was "all intents and purposes". Do a Google search for "for all intensive purposes", and the first result is: "Another example of the oral transformation of language by people who don?t read much. 'For all intents and purposes' is an old cliché which won?t thrill anyone, but using the mistaken alternative is likely to elicit guffaws." The author of that quote is also mistaken in that he or she should have written "old cliché that won't thrill anyone." I guffaw as I write this.

 

What is Han doing with his hands? I mean, if you are gonna be frozen for motnhs, you want it all outstrecthed and clawing at the walls? I'd do the rock and roll sign.

 

Consider yourself lucky to catch a mistake like this from me. I rarely make them

I do appreciate the info though.

 

DarthButt, for all intents and purposes, do not fail me again! Despite your rare mistake, I do like your screename: DarthButt, how poetic and musical!

 

I'd definitely be flippin' the bird.

 

isn't it possible that Vader was being deceptive with his intentions?

 

that's what I said ^^^

 

Why would he bother going through such an elaborate/pointless deception?
VADER: Ready the facility! I'm not really going to use it, but I want to make you think I am! That way, I can hide my true intentions!

LANDO: Then why not go through with your true intentions all along and leave us out of it?

VADER: Because I uhhh hmmm... Good point. Alright, everybody. Uhh... take ten. Relax. I'm uhh gonna rethink things for a bit.

FETT: Yeah, you do that.

VADER: Yeah... I'm not... I'm not good...

Oh well. I never noticed this minor infraction before, and given time, hopefully I'll forget about it lol
It's bad enough the AT-AT armor that's "too strong for blasters" one moment and not the next gets to me every single damn time now!

 

Maybe his original intentions were to freeze Luke and bring him to the Emperor, but had a change of heart when he came into his son's presence.

 

I am pretty sure that Vader wanted to freeze luke. Remember when Luke ends up in the chamber Vader says "all too easy" and gives the switch a force flick right before luke jumps out.

 

Just to be nit-picky:

I always thought it was odd when Lando says "We only use this facility for carbon-freezing"...


...as if Vader is planning to use it for something other than carbon-freezing.

 

Not sure what you meant by that Leias_love_slave, but that's what they use the chamber for...freezing carbon. They freeze it in carbonite. Since humans are carbon based, Vader decided he'd freeze Han and Luke in it.

 

This is what I meant.

If Vader was planning to use Lando's refrigerator, would there be any reason for Lando to say:

"We only use this for refrigeration."

As far as I know, a carbon-freezing chamber has one function - carbon-freezing.


Lando: "Lord Vader. We only use this facility for carbon-freezing."

Vader: "It's a good thing you told me. I was about to use it to heat up some chicken nuggets."

*starts Force-choking Lando*

 

From what i've read in the novels, they only use it to freeze Tibian (sp?) gas, i think. Lando was telling Vader that it was risky putting a human in there, hence why Vader said "We will test it, on Captn. Solo.", which tells me that Han Solo is the first human ever on Bespin to be carbon-freezed.

Vader wasn't going to take the risk of Luke dying when they carbon-freezed him, so they went to test it on Capnt. Solo.

 

I get the impression that they havn't used it to freeze humans, yet, Han Comes out with a control panel indicating that he is alive. Perhaps devices of the sort were usually used for transporting living beings (Star Wars Equivilent of cattle?) but Lando purchased a cut rate one because he wasn't buying it freeze sentient beings, but was freezing gas. Thus "This facility is crude...".

I think it's a stretch that he is making the "For his journey to the emporer" statement for the benefit of Boba, Storm Troopers, and Imperial officials. I think "Sufficient for freezing of young Skywalker." "Why do you want to freeze him?" "NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS." would be more like it. It seems to me it is more for the benefit of the viewer, sort of an aside to tell us what he is planning on doing. However, it is clear that the entire point of ESB is Vader trying to capture Luke for his OWN puposes. Even before the PT I think it was apparent and now with the rule of 2, Vader's plea to Padme, and the general theme of the Saga, the line is just really one that Lucas didn't think through. I'm not screamining "PLOT HOLE!", I just don't really like that line.

Carnage

 

No plot hole here as far as I can see. The only line I have heard that does not match up to the prequel trilogy is Vader saying to Luke on Endor "Obi-Wan once thought as you do" Which is in reference to Luke asking him to leave the Empire and come with him. There is zero evidence that Obi-wan ever made an attempt to save Anakin from the darkside. At least as far as I can remember. Perhaps a more accurate line would have been "Your mother once thought as you do."

 

Him talking to him on the platform on mustafar. That was more or less trying to save him, and even if he didnt say anything, obi-wan probably thought it. He didnt say obi-wan said as much.

Hey, if Luke got frozen in carbonite with his lightsaber still ignited, what would happen?

 

He was in loyalty mode because of the stormtroopers that were around him... He couldnt be
revealing his true intentions with that many people as his aduience. When he told Luke that he
wanted him to join him he was alone....

 

I actually chuckled when I read this. The best part is that it's 100% true...err..or...plausible?

 

Vader was going to take him to Palpatine, but he was hoping that he would be given leave to train Luke, so that he could sufficently turn Luke to his side and use him against Palpatine. Palpatine himself did the same thing with Maul, while still learning from Plagueis. But because Luke was stronger than first thought, he changed Vader's plan and so a new stratgey had to be forumlated. Making his offer here and now, before going to Courscant.

On the other hand, Vader could've said that Palpatine wanted Luke, but he would take him off to someplace like Yavin or some other remote planet and train him in secret.