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Twi'lek and Humans

Discussion in 'Literature' started by NeoStar9, Nov 11, 2003.

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  1. NeoStar9

    NeoStar9 Jedi Master star 4

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    Has the ever states that different species could inter-breed? More importantly if male Human and a female Twi'lek could ever have children together? Or does it simply not say at all?

    I'm asking because this is something I want to cover in my fan fiction I'm writing but I don't ever remember coming across something similar in my EU reading over the years.

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  2. JediTrilobite

    JediTrilobite Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    I haven't heard anything about half human/ half twi'leks, although there are half breeds out there.
     
  3. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek

    Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling star 10

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    Well, Nawara Ven (Twi'lek) and Rhysati Ynr(human) got married and started a family, although it is not known if they adopted their kids, or they conceived.
     
  4. JediTrilobite

    JediTrilobite Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    Right right... forgot about them..
     
  5. Ozzel

    Ozzel TF.N Foreign Book Covers Staff star 5 VIP

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    I've pondered this as well. I just can't help but picture a poor kid with only one lekku. [face_laugh]
     
  6. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek

    Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling star 10

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    I would imagine the lekku of a human/Twi'lek offspring to be shorter, almost like little nubs.
     
  7. JoinTheSchwarz

    JoinTheSchwarz Former Head Admin star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I just can't help but picture a poor kid with only one lekku.

    [image=http://www.thejasper.com/DBZ/DBZ-Miss/MBuu.JPEG]

    :eek:
     
  8. Tramp

    Tramp Jedi Padawan star 4

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    There was a huge, very heated debate about this subject on the WotC SW boards, of which I participated. My thoughts on the matter are that the possibility of human/twi'lek genetic compatibility is possible but highly improbable. I'd give a percentage chance of no more than a 5% chance of successful conception, and the possibility of the resulting offspring being fertile (and thus able to produce offspring of his or her own as well) at even less. The short story Nightlily: the Lovers' Tale made it a point to mention that if members of two different species found each other attractive enogh that they wanted to mate, then there is a good chance that they might be compatible enough to produce offspring. Like i said though, the further away from human you get, the less likely the possibility is. If it were a Human and a near-human (such as a Chiss or Zeltron) then the chances of conception should be about as good as if it were two humans. However, a human/twi'lek pairing would have more difficulty because twi'leks are further away from humans genetically speaking.
     
  9. RogueWompRat

    RogueWompRat Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Well, do we know if Twi Leks are descended from humans, or if their close lookalikes?
     
  10. Lank_Pavail

    Lank_Pavail Jedi Knight star 7

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    Twi'leks are, at least as far as the EU's shown us, a separately evolved species from human.

    If it possible? I suppose. It might require estensive genetic manipluation, but it could be possible. But it probably isn't possible to naturally concieve.
     
  11. Tramp

    Tramp Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Twi'leks are definately not descnded from Humans, but that does not mean that they aren't genetically compatible enough to produce offspring. That hasn't been determined one way or the other. There are two known examples of human/alien hybrids, where the non-human parent was not even near-human: Shug Ninx and Rystall; in both of these instances, their mothers were completely alien, though still compatible with Humans. We also know that Bothans and Selonians are clearly not[/] compatible with Humans. In the case of Selonians in particular, the parts don't even line up correctly, according to Corran Horn, who was once in a romantic relationship with one.
     
  12. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    What about Zekka "Patches" Thyne? I know he is said to have "alien blood".
     
  13. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    Tionne was half-human according to KJA himself, established in one of his books.

    Adi Gallia is half-human, according to NEGTC, and according to Daniel Wallace, the canon bible at starwars.com.

    Grand Moff Hissa, had a "bit of alien blood", according to Guide to Star Wars books.

    Grand Admira Pitta was partially alien, as well.

    I think there may have been a few half Humans, half Nykes in the empire as well, IIRC.
     
  14. RogueWompRat

    RogueWompRat Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Uhm, the Theelin (of which Shug Ninx and Rystall are halfbreeds of) are a near human species.
     
  15. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    Theelin are fairly alien race though compared to most near-humans (which according to gamer #9, most might as well be called additional human races, rather than species), considering that he is apparently sterile, and his hands are more alien than human.

    Theelins also are one of those species they call truly alien in various sourcebooks, IIRC, while others call them near-human... Though i'm not sure if we have ever seen one in pure form to know what they look like for sure?
     
  16. Tramp

    Tramp Jedi Padawan star 4

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    The respective mothers of Shug Ninx and Rystall are each from two completely different races. If you look at Shug Ninx, he only has three fingers on each hand, including the thumb, and stone-like splotches all around his mouth, while he still has normal human ears and other features. Rystall has normal five-fingered hands, fin-like ears, three-toed feet, and tiny spots that surround her face and run all along her body. Their non-human parentage could not be more different from each other. Their mothers were not from the same species.
     
  17. RogueWompRat

    RogueWompRat Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Yes, thats what I thought as well. But that one issue of Insider said that Rystall was half Theelin, I'm just purveying the dreck that LFL spews out...
     
  18. LuBusVassal

    LuBusVassal Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Oh dear gods, I can see it now:

    "The Essential Guide to Inter-Species Mating"

    AHHHH!!!!

    No really, I think they would create an offspring, probably one with either a single Lekku or Lekku stubs.
     
  19. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    "The respective mothers of Shug Ninx and Rystall are each from two completely different races. If you look at Shug Ninx, he only has three fingers on each hand, including the thumb, and stone-like splotches all around his mouth, while he still has normal human ears and other features. Rystall has normal five-fingered hands, fin-like ears, three-toed feet, and tiny spots that surround her face and run all along her body. Their non-human parentage could not be more different from each other. Their mothers were not from the same species."

    A Liger looks different than a Tigron...

    Female Liger;[image=http://www.greenapple.com/~jorp/amzanim/liger.jpg]

    Male Liger:[image=http://www.greenapple.com/~jorp/amzanim/ligerm.jpg]

    Tigon:[image=http://www.greenapple.com/~jorp/amzanim/tigon.jpg] [image=http://animalpark.pe.kr/wonderfulanimals/tigon/tigon.jpg]

    In one the Lion aspects are more dominant, and in the other the Tiger aspects are more dominant. One is alway created by the male of a lion, and the other by the male of a Tiger. Because the sexes are reversed the effects on the offspring are entirely different.

    Ligers are bigger than both Lions and Tigers. Tigons are smaller than both Lions and Tigers.

    However, take the Zabrack for instance most members of that species has a different set of horns...

    However, if Rystall is part theelin the biggest thing I can think of that would make her different than shug, is that she is female, and he is male. There may be differences between sexes, in that species, much like how most female Deveronians have alot of hair, and no horns, and most males are hairless with devilish horns.

    However I wish they'd have left Rystall with the info she has at starwars.com;

    "Most visitors to Coruscant never see the undercity, a shadowy sector of the megalopolis eclipsed by the far-reaching skyscrapers. In these darkened regions, even the long arm of Imperial law seldom reaches. It was here that the young girl named Rystáll was raised. An abandoned half-breed, the result of a human father and unknown alien mother, Rystáll was cared for by adoptive Ortolan parents who eked out a living as musicians. Rystáll joined their performances as a dancer."
     
  20. LuBusVassal

    LuBusVassal Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Gee Valiento, you must have an IQ of like... 200...
     
  21. RogueWompRat

    RogueWompRat Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Yes he does. :p So, lesse, a pure breed Theelin would have purplish skin (with spots), horns on the side of the head, hooves on the feet, and three fingers on the hands.
     
  22. Ozzel

    Ozzel TF.N Foreign Book Covers Staff star 5 VIP

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    Rystáll's not one of a kind. I guess the odds of a breed like her are at least fairly good.

    Diva Arroquitas

    There's also the chick on that Coruscant "billboard" where Zam's sends her droid off from. But that could very well be Arroquitas.
     
  23. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    "Yes he does. So, lesse, a pure breed Theelin would have purplish skin (with spots), horns on the side of the head, hooves on the feet, and three fingers on the hands."

    Unless we are seeing the physical difference between a female(Arroquitas, and Rystall) and a male Theelin(Shug), certain traits that are limited to a certain sex of the species.
     
  24. Tramp

    Tramp Jedi Padawan star 4

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    In one the Lion aspects are more dominant, and in the other the Tiger aspects are more dominant. One is alway created by the male of a lion, and the other by the male of a Tiger. Because the sexes are reversed the effects on the offspring are entirely different.
    The difference here is that in both Shug Ninx's and Rystall's cases, both of their mothers were the aliens, and their fathers were humans, in Shug's case, Corellian. It does state in Shug Ninx' write-up in the Dark Empire Sourcebook that his mother was from nearly extinct Theelin species, however, I have heard of no such reference to Rystall's mother also being that species; the official site specifically states that her mother's species is unknown, and no other resource that I know of contradicts this.
     
  25. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    "The difference here is that in both Shug Ninx's and Rystall's cases, both of their mothers were the aliens, and their fathers were humans, in Shug's case, Corellian."

    A female liger, looks nothing like a male Liger, even though the mother is the same in both, :).

    A female deveronian generally looks nothing like a Male Deveronian.


    "I have heard of no such reference to Rystall's mother also being that species; the official site specifically states that her mother's species is unknown, and no other resource that I know of contradicts this."

    If a source says she is half-theelin now, then that means that the race is unknown to the in-universe historian of the official site's EU repositories, "Jocasta Nu", or she hasn't updated yet.

    They may be referring to issue #60(IIRC) of Insider, that had an Article by Dan Wallace, and possible Abel Pena, or Pablo Hidalgo, that had a write up about various characters from Jabba's palace, and expanded on previous known information.
     
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