Full Series Two old sith lords

Alright I cannot believe this has not been posted yet so I thought I would get the discussion going because this was probably the best news I heard from the clone wars staff. For the last episode, Ghosts of Mortis, Darth Bane and Revan were suppose to make an appearance. However, due to the flow of the story those characters were dropped at the last minute. However Dave said they had been created. By this point I think we all know it costs a lot to make a character model so to make two that don't make it into an episode is bad.


Therefore I am going to assume since everything gets recycled in Star wars that we will see these two sith lords again .

So a couple questions:
How would you like to see these characters introduced? (yes they are dead but that doesn't mean we can't see them in a vision or in ghost form)

If they are portrayed good would you like to see a Clone Wars style animation with these two in their own separate movies or tv shows.

I think that this is a very real possibility because george said he liked the idea of these two meaning he is open to their characters and if he sees enough fans want them I think we could finally see a spin off and see my two favorite stories in the Star Wars Universe brought to life.

 

I'm just glad they took them out.

 

It has. Both in the Ghosts of Mortis thread and the General thread. It's just that nobody thought it needed its own individual thread.

And don't worry, it's not a spoiler.

 

Haha I had no idea and I wasn't going to look at this thread because I hate spoilers...so thanks to Gry for editing the title. Darth Bane is one of my favorite Sith Lords and Path of Destruction is one of my favorite Star Wars novels, so seeing him in The Clone Wars would be amazing. Although if I had my choice of any Sith Lord to be seen in The Clone Wars, Darth Bane would be my second pick behind Exar Kun.

 

Ignoring Filoni's assertion that the Sith cannot separate themselves from the Force after death, I don't understand how Darth Revan was going to appear as a ghost given that Revan is redeemed in KOTOR. Either they would have to ignore that little (major) detail, or the story would have to become that he fell, redeeemed himself, and then fell again, which is just awkward story telling just to throw a bone to the fans.

I'm glad that they didn't turn up in the Mortis arc. Had they been established in that arc in the first or second episode then they could have been fleshed out, but to have them crop up randomly in the third episode as two characters that many, many fans are not going to recognize could easily just ruin the whole thing.

"Hey kids, wanna know why the Son turned to the Dark Side? It's because of these two guys that just pop up without warning and who the majority of all of you out there won't recognize."

Their assets could crop up in future episodes as holographic images accessed in Sith holocrons or something like that. But should that happen, I would hope that a story is not written for the sole purpose of using those character models.

 

I can't remember who said it, and I don't even know if it's correct, but I heard they left them out because they were advising the Son, and the scene would somehow make it look like Revan and Bane were 'above the Force'.

 

Hear, hear.

 

Yeah, I don't see how they could have randomly thrown them in there and have it make much sense. It's the kind of thing that you have to do right or not at all. And having everyone in "the Family" acting of their own accord works way better then one of them being influenced by an outsider in my opinion.

 

I've nothing against Revan or Bane appearing in TCW in some form (and as they've created the character models I doubt they'll let them go to waste) but in the context of the Mortis arc I'm glad they were taken out - the Sith weren't needed in that story. However to see them appear in the future (perhaps as visions/records through some sort of Sith Holocron) would be pretty cool.

 

In the context of the TCW show, I would like to see them as a flashback or holocron or something or other.

Outside of the TCW show, I would like to see Bane in maybe a, well gee, I, uhh, a MOVIE!!!!

 

I would love to see Korriban in TCW- perfect place for hidden holocron of ancient sith - they should make Cad Bane to steal it from clones/droids so they could have a crazy indytribute- now just add young Han Solo to that arc too and it would be so funny

 

Indeed. Imagine an episode (or even a duology or arc) about Sidious taking Dooku there for training or any other logic reason. That would made my day.

 

It's such a classic EU place it needs to appear... they already made sith obelisks for Dooku so re-use them and Korriban can have some red too in it's colorscheme

 

I am surprised I haven't noticed more discussion on the "Deleted Scenes"
Revan and Bane were nearly both included -- and GL was in on it.


Then he bailed out - for obviously important reasons.
And Filoni agreed - because these 2 should not have been able to have a "Force Presence" or "Force Relationship" with the Son.
Yet we know other EU sources have allowed this.

So... does that mean all those EU sources are now relegated to the waste bins of the EU?


Furthermore - if Revan was going to be used in this fashion - wouldn't we have to believe he ends up a Sith / Dark Sider rather than what was kinda established in that he ended up Redeemed? [granted I have no idea what is intended with Revan in The Old Republic]
Does this add weight to GL's belief that Anakin was the ONLY CANON REDEMPTION of this magnitude?

Perhaps we could have seen a Nomi Sunrider cameo to offset the strangeness of seeing 2 old Sith Lords have the ability to appear...

But maybe, and this is my best hope from what comes from this -- is that Filoni decides to re-use these chracter blueprints via a Holocron.
TCW is the perfect place to finally see a Holocron in use - and at this point we have to assume that Sidious has nearly every Sith Holocron in existence in his possession.

And we do have EU sources that say the Jedi have a few in the Archives -- so why not?
It doesn't have to be Anakin -- but why not see Yoda attempting to glean some guidance via a Holocron as to what to do in the Clone Wars strategy-wise?

This way -- no unnecessary Force-Ghost controversy -- and even more TCW awesomeness.

fyi - perhaps if the thread title was "Deleted Scenes: Revan and Bane" people might be more attracted to commenting on this topic

 

What does that mean, wasting models? I don't get it. Are they that cost expensive to make? It's no different than a video game model, right? Please, elaborate on what that means because, I don't understand why It would be so expensive to make a cameo appearance of just one character. It sounds like they create each model to be capable to have every action pose imaginable and that's why it is time consuming and expensive to make them.

 

My guess without knowing anything specific about model making is that all you need to know is how many times Filoni says something in the Commentary about how budget constraints have kept them from making so many background characters and such

He says it in several commentaries in Seasons 1 and 2 -- but I could not try and guess which they are.

Thus - it can be concluded that it must cost them more than they are willing to sacrifice on a whim -- and also means they are likely to want to use something they have come so far in making already.

Plus - like someone said -- everything in SW gets recycled or reused

 

The models:


Revan.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-S7T6717oN3k/TVoJrOMvoKI/AAAAAAAAALg/XOyFzjcdLHk/s1600/DarthRevanConcept1.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qfiOynhdscQ/TVoKSBgcuNI/AAAAAAAAALw/L4fRabkywZM/s1600/DarthRevanconcept3.jpg

Bane.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7QDqrg_-6YA/TVoJt3xBaHI/AAAAAAAAALs/e6k3vbAMTwc/s1600/Darthbaneconcept1.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JnjzDxdwrUk/TVoJtnvupqI/AAAAAAAAALo/rthHzijaQ3E/s1600/DarthBaneConcept.jpg

 

Yes, the whole process of creating a new character model is certainly an expensive one. Even if it's just a cameo, the model should be able to do pretty much everything a "star model" does. So the team needs to first conceptualize the character through drawings, arrive at a final design and colour scheme, then model the geometry in the computer, create a skeleton for it and "skin" it so that the model is correctly deformed by the moving skeleton, all the facial expressions need to be shaped and keyed to a controller and finally the model textures need to be created and correctly applied to the geometry. So yeah, it's a painstaking process that consumes lots of animator man-hours.


PS: What's with the weird crimson highlights, Humble?

 

As someone else mentioned, Revan is redeemed. This would be like if Darth Vader came down and lectured darth Krayt in the Legacy comics or something. That makes no sense.

Also, i do agree with filoni, having the sith able to do that would be bad. The sith are all about defying the nature of things, immortality, not being one with the flow of life, as a force ghost is.

 

Not knowing too much about those guys story-wise, I'd have to say that design-wise they just *look* a little too EU (specifically comic-booky/videogamey) for my tastes. But then so did Quinlan Vos... I was okay with him in the end since they made him into Jedi Lebowski instead of broody badass Conan-guy. Just me, probably: I used to think Aayla looked out of place in AOTC, but these days it's easy enough to put together a Jedi swimsuit issue, and I move on.

 

Yeah that's my biggest prob... and honestly i don't like looks of Darth Bane -he looks like some clown with that tearstripe beyond his eye

 

Is it bad that I came in here thinking of Palpatine and Dooku.
I'm neutral about Revan's proposed inclusion, he's one of my favourite Star Wars characters but it'd have potentially done a lot of damage.

 

They could always go back on their earlier ruling and say that the DS ending of KOTOR is now canon...

 

I have to say it. These Dark Lords are pretty lame looking. Why is it every Sith Lord has to have a freakin' mask? I loved how they made Maul an alien with tats and horns, as well as made him shorter than Vader, but every other Sith I've seen thus far has a mask or tatoos and it's getting a bit sickening. What ever happened to originality?

 

Darth Bane wore his birdcage when he went to bed every night or else the flesh-eating orbalisks that were living on his chest would cover his face.


Now tell me that's not original.