VADER: "Obi-Wan has taught you well."

I have a question:


VADER: Obi-Wan has taught you well.


We all know that it was really Yoda who taught Luke most of what he knew, but Vader didn't know this, so he most likely assumed that Obi-Wan had taught Luke everything. I have watched the films so many times that I just didn't think about that line very much until just recently. I haven't seen the film, yet, but I was wondering if ROTS reveals why Palpatine and Vader didn't consider that it was a possibility that Yoda might have been the one training Luke. Did they think that Yoda was dead? Did Sidious know that Yoda escaped?

 

Well seeing that you want to know,
Palpatine suspects that Yoda survives, they are never able to recover the body.

It is unclear if Vader is ever informed of Yoda's disapperance. It is very possible that Vader is never told--that he suspects only Obi-Wan survives.

-Seldon

 

He doesnt know that Luke even knows of Yoda's existence. He DOES know that Luke was friends with Obi Wan though, so he assumes that Obi Wan was the one who instructed Luke (which is indeed correct, at least to a point).

 

I never thought of that. Now that will bug me for a while........

 

For me it raised the question as to whether or not Vader knew about Obi-Wan's ability to retain his identity after death.

Vader knows he killed Obi-Wan on the Death Star...before Luke was fully trained up. So why would he say that Obi-Wan taught him well?

He even fought Luke in TESB, so he knows his skills have increased since then...yet he still mentions Obi-Wan.

 

^ because he is unaware of any other jedi that survived. Obi-wan is the only one, therefore it must be he that trained Luke.

He's no doubt refering to Obi teaching him the basics. He likely assumes that Luke expanded on the basics and grew in power on his own, much like he feels he did.

 

I don't think Vader knew what the heck Obi-Wan did when he disappeared. Vader stepped on the robe like he was going to find a little mini Obi-Wan or something.

 

Perhaps, then, he somehow knew Obi-Wan was not truly gone. He says how it's been a good day, because of the death of Kenobi, but I think he suspects something when he disappears.

 

I think they did know but they just didnt care - the only thing that could stand in their way was luke, not obi wan and not yoda.

 

I think Vader refers to Obi-Wan because Obi-Wan was Vaders Master AND because Obi beat the hell out of him... after all, he´s stuck in that suit due to Obi-Wans fighting abilities... so it´s clear that he referrs to obi-wan.
Of course, Vader is scared when Obi disappears in ANH..but this is again referred to the obi/qui-gon thing in EP3...
and think about the "You can´t win, Darth" line... "If you defeat me, I´ll be more powerfull than you can possibly imagine"....

 

I think Vader assumed that Palpatine killed Yoda, and Obi-Wan was the only survivor of the Jedi Order. Palpatine hid the truth from him, because it would make him look less powerful, and Vader might be tempted to switch sides. Palpatine never trusted Vader, that is why he wondered whether his feelings about his son were clear. He always suspsected that Vader might be tempted away from the Dark Side.

 

Palps probably never even told Vader of teh encounter with Yoda.

 

Interesting theory, that Palpatine never told Vader that Yoda escaped. Just goes to support the ongoing jealous, mistrust, plotting and deceptive ways of the Sith, how they'd totally stab each other in the back, given the chance. It can be argued Vader kept Luke's identity secret from Palpatine at the end of ANH or the beginning of TESB, especially since Vader had already been plotting to unseat the Emperor. So yeah, Vader may not have known about Yoda after all.....

 

I just realized, Vader says this line in ROTJ, after he defeated Luke in TESB. Which implies that either:

(a) Vader suspected Luke had been trained by Obi-Wan from birth.... but given Luke's improved skill between TESB and ROTJ,

(b) Vader suspected Luke had been trained in that period of time by SOMEONE, who most likely was Obi-Wan.

Which implies that Vader had some suspicion as to where Obi-Wan was lurking after death....

 

After ROTS, I got thinking about this. It seems likely that Vader figured out or sensed that Obi-Wan was not truly gone. After all, Vader did become one with the force and manage to appear as a force ghost after being defeated. Is it not possible that he was aware of Obi-Wan's continued presence and influence over Luke?


Consider in ANH, Vader witnessed Obi-Wan's disappearance. Isn't it entirely possible that he figured out what truly happened to Obi-Wan? It would also explain how Anakin managed to become one with the force.

 

I think it was just simply an assumation on Vader's part...

 

Obi-Wan is probably the only Jedi that Darth Vader has seen in 20 years since ROTS. Vader later learns that he has a son, Luke, who destroyed the Death Star during the time he killed Obi-Wan. So it's logical to assume...

1. Ran into Obi-Wan and killed him.
2. Found out that son destoyed Death Star
3. Son knows Jedi skills, so someone must have trained him.
4. Since both Obi-Wan and Luke were at the Death Star around the same time, Obi-Wan probably knows Luke and was the one who trained him.

Also, I'm sure Vader later found out that the one who destoyed the Death Star was the same person who rescued Princess Leia at the time Obi-Wan was killed. Obi-Wan and Luke must have been together.

Obi-Wan must have trained Luke.

 

My wife also has pointed out that Vader probably recognized his old saber that Luke was using. And of course, Vader saw Ob-Wan take it with him in ROTS.

Hmm, where did my son get my old saber?

 

Well wouldn't Vader know Yoda had survived? In RotS, Palpatine specifically says that if they didn't find the body, it meant Yoda had escaped alive.

I think it's more that Obi-Wan is the only Jedi Vader has encountered recently. He can't be sure Yoda helped because the Empire has no clue where Yoda might be.

Plus Vader has an Obi-Wan fixation. To him, fighting Luke is somewhat like fighting Obi-Wan vicariously. He never got to really finish his old master off and probably somehow knows or suspects that his little disappearing trick means Kenobi perhaps isn't completely dead...

It's ironic, if you think about it. Here Anakin had been searching so desperately for the secret of immortality and has never found it. Actually, the searching has just led to his demise. But then I guess he'd realise after ANH that perhaps Obi-Wan actually has found it. Boy, don't you know that would just piss him off


-sj loves kevin spacey

 

I assume because Vader seen Luke on the Death Star with Obi-Wan that he figured who else would have trained him.

 

<<We all know that it was really Yoda who taught Luke most of what he knew, but Vader didn't know this, so he most likely assumed that Obi-Wan had taught Luke everything. >>

Vader sees Luke on the Death Star right after he kills Obi-Wan. Vader tries to help pursue the escapees, but Luke blasts the door shut and blocks him. Of course Vader doesn't know him from Adam at that point, but it must not have been hard to put two and two together when this companion of Obi-Wan's returns shortly afterwards, using the force to blow up the Death Star.

 

I agree with Darth Syphus. Palpatine must have never told Vader about his fight with Yoda or his escape. When Luke meets the Emperor, Sidious knows that Yoda trained him, and Vader doesn't. After all, he did say, "I'm looking forward to COMPLETING your training." Luke was half-trained, I recall.

 

Well, after ANH, Vader digs a little deeper, finds out that a Ben Kenobi and a Luke Skywalker had spent 20 years on Tatooine. He probably assumed that Obi-Wan had been training Luke all along. No mention of a Yoda living on Tatooine.

Then Vader meets up with Luke on Bespin in ESB. He tells him: "Obi-Wan has taught you well, you have control over your fears."

Meaning Obi-Wan, before his death, had been teaching Luke to overcome FEAR, which of course, proved to be Anakin's greatest weakness.

As for Yoda: why would they think he survived? They would naturally assume that if he had, he would have tried to overthrow the Emperor in the meanwhile.

 

You'll just have to assume Vader is never informed. OFCOURSE Master Sidious mopped up the gremlin

 

You know if Palps told Vader the lie that he killed his own wife, he would have no problem telling him that Yoda is dead.