Vader vs. the Emperor?

We are all familiar with Vader's traitorous musings, but what if he had actually attempted to kill his master? Surely this is an academic hypothetical, but I think it would have been a fascinating confrontation. Possibly the two most powerful force users in the history of the galaxy; the Chosen One vs. the dark lord who almost single-handedly brought down the Jedi Order. If Vader was prepared, I don't know if Palpatine's lightning would be enough, for we see Obi-Wan block it fairly easily with a lightsaber. What then? Would the Emperor use more force powers, or would we see a lightsaber duel between these two ultimate dark lords? Who emerges alive?

 

Vader without the armor would have completely annihilated the Emperor, but Palps kept his apprentice sufficiently weakened.

 

Palpatine was much to powerful for Vader to handle. Besides. Even if Vader won he would have to deal with him again and again because Palps would keep hopping into clone after clone. And as we see in Betrayal Palpatine is very good with the lightning.

 

Don't forget that Sidious also has his force storms to throw out there. Vader is good, but Sidious is the master.

 

Vader without the armor would have completely annihilated the Emperor, but Palps kept his apprentice sufficiently weakened.

Agreed

 

What do we really know about Vader? Nothing in honesty. That's why we have all these purge books and Zahn's mid SW movie trilogy one. Just a way of linking past to present though still past for us.

 

Darth_Seer: Um, didn't we see this in the end of RotJ...

Vader simply picked up Palpatine and threw him down a big hole in the deck. Obviously, Palpatine's attention was distracted, but Vader shouldered the onslaught for long enough, even if it did short out his armour's life-support systems (perhaps already damaged in his duel with Luke)...

Now, sure, not exactly a heroic clash of Force-users, but still... gives you an idea of what they can do...

- The Imperial Ewok

 

We are all familiar with Vader's traitorous musings, but what if he had actually attempted to kill his master?

You mean like he did in Return of the Jedi?

 

"You mean like he did in Return of the Jedi?"

You know what I mean...!!

 

You mean like he did in Return of the Jedi?

Thanks for spoiling the movie for me.

 

You know what I mean...!!


And you have your answer.

 

"And you have your answer."

Not exactly... I would not call it a fair confrontation. I thought my intent would be obvious... What if Vader actually confronted the Emperor in a straight fight--not sneaking up and throwing him over a ledge...

 

Enemy of the Empire shows us a number of different versions of this. One time, Vader loses. Another, Vader wins.

 

Of course, if the Emperor was so powerful, how could he let Vader sneak up on him? Wouldn't he sense him?

You still have your answer.

 

He's talking about a "what-if" duel, not "whether-it-could-happen". Leave the poor guy alone by not making it difficult for him.

 

"He's talking about a "what-if" duel, not "whether-it-could-happen". Leave the poor guy alone by not making it difficult for him."

Thank you---

 

This is a hard one to call. We have never really seen Vaders full potential. In Shadows of the Empire, we get a little hint, but nothing really big.

Wait I have the answer! It would be a draw!

 

Since you seem to be missing my point, Vader would probably win. He's got the advantage in strength and youth, as well as some bit of power. If he was losing, screw honor. If a darksider's going to die, they're not going to worry about being honorable.

 

Remember that Palpatine killed Vader in RotJ.

 

Thank you for being the 5th person to say so.

I don't know. If Palpatine could summon Force storms and the like, couldn't he just crush Vader into paste? Though perhaps Vader could do the same...I haven't really seen a big exploration of Vader Force powers.

 

Anakin with no training beats one of the best and most dangerous pod racers in the galaxy, and destroys a droid control ship freeing an entire planet and stoping a masive army. We see a padawan Anikin wipe out a village of sand people, and hold his own for a time against Darth Tyranis, who was one of the best saber dualists in the jedi order, and one of the most powerful jedi masters. Later he raises the rebels hoth base, and defeats Luke without even trying. Vader procedes to keep Luke running scared and then KILLS the Emp. Thats a pretty good track record.

Now for Sids. We see him ... well ... he shoots some lightning that both fails to kill his intended victim, and save his life. Thats petty good ... I guess. Oh and that time he ... tricked Jar Jar ... thats kinda hard ... um ... or when he ... had that big hologram of his head ... that laugh is scary ...

Fan boys desided that Palp is some all powerful god like figure.

Anakin/Vader is THE man. Quigon knew it, Yoda knew it, Mace new it, and Palpatine knew it.

When I fight someone below my skill level I make it look easy. Vader apears slow becouse he is being lazy. There is no challenge from anyone not from the rebels, imperial officers, droid armies, bounty hunters, Lando, Chewy, Han, Leia, OB1, Luke, or the Emp.

P.S. matrix and/or croutching tiger style fighting is garbadge. It is fine in lesser movies but has no place in Star Wars. One of the halmarks of SW is amazing yet fairly realistic fights. the Vader vs OB1 is about the most realistic sword fight ever filmed. Trust me when you work with live blades you fight very ... conservatively.

 

"P.S. matrix and/or croutching tiger style fighting is garbadge. It is fine in lesser movies but has no place in Star Wars. One of the halmarks of SW is amazing yet fairly realistic fights. the Vader vs OB1 is about the most realistic sword fight ever filmed."

I completely agree, though I wouldn't call Crouching Tiger "garbage." It is unrealistic, yes, but still fun to watch. Movies are entertainment, and one can't expect them to accurately imitate real-life fights. You're right about the conservative fighting, and I'd imagine this would especially be the case with lightsabers. With a blade so deadly I doubt people would twirl and spin so recklessly. The slightest touch can dismember you, so I think a bit of caution would be warranted! Especially when you haven't fought anyone in 20 years... Hence, the wonderful but much-maligned Vader / Obi-Wan fight. On the topic, I'm thinking Vader would win. The Emperor's force storms seem like a long-range force power that requires intense concentration and focus. I don't know how useful it would be in a duel. Vader has displayed his ability to use the force by hurling objects, and I'm sure he'd have a few tricks up his sleeve as well. Add that to the fact he has the most raw force potential ever and is possibly the greatest swordsman (we'll see after Episode III), and I think the Emperor would have his hands full...

 

The idea that without wuxia moves people would use swords is an insult to the dueling profession. It implies people do not know the limitations of their weapons and what they are really useful for...self discipline

Ergo...CTHD is quite appropriate for star wars as is what we saw in TPM

 

Thank you for being the 5th person to say so.

Was that aimed at me? All the talk was on Vader chucking Palps down the shaft. The lightning mortally wounded Vader. Now if he had focused his attention on Vader while Vader was attacking I don't think he would have stood a chance.

 

"And as we see in Betrayal Palpatine is very good with the lightning."

Wait... where do we see that?