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CT Vader's look when Luke gets sucked out of the window

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  1. HevyDevy

    HevyDevy Chosen One star 5

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    During the Bespin duel, did Vader regret when Luke got sucked out of the window? The Way he looks down after... I just watched it and can't work out if he is feeling regret/remorse for the bombardment, or it is just a cold look similarly to the rest of the movie. I mean he wants to put Luke in carbon freeze and cuts of his hand, but I still wonder about this moment.
     
  2. melkor834

    melkor834 Jedi Master star 3

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    It's a look of regret, intially Lucas planned for Vader to shout "Nooooo!" at this momoent and hopefully in the 3D versions he will have fixed the problem making the scene significantly better.

    Nah, it's actually just another cold look of conviction.
     
  3. FRAGGLE_ROCKER

    FRAGGLE_ROCKER Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Vader isn't trying to kill Luke but suppress him, so if he thinks Luke just got sucked away, then yes he regrets it.
    By the time Luke was back up there, Vader figured Luke wasn't going along with it and was just about ready to destroy him (hence all that chopping through the corridor).
     
  4. CT-867-5309

    CT-867-5309 Chosen One star 7

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    It was disappointment and regret.

    He didn't want Luke dead, he just wanted to beat him into submission.
     
  5. ForceJumpAnakin

    ForceJumpAnakin Chosen One star 4

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    It's a look of relief. He chose the perfect time to pass wind a moment earlier.
     
  6. melkor834

    melkor834 Jedi Master star 3

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    Yep, that fits perfectly. I always thought the scene was kinda empty in the original movie hopefully Lucas adds this to the scene. It just adds so much more depth (and yes humor!) to a scene that desperately needs it.
     
  7. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    He was disappointed that Luke refused to, as others have said, get beaten into submission so easily.

    But...I also think that on some level he respected Luke for standing his ground. And I've always thought that it was at that moment that Anakin Skywalker began to come back, although Anakin was still buried so far deep within Vader that Vader did not consciously notice him. So...some regret there too, at least the beginnings of it.

    I also think that the original line, "Bring my shuttle," works better than the new line, "Alert my star destroyer to prepare for my arrival", simply because it's shorter--and in my mind, after that scene, Vader didn't really feel like talking. No, it isn't that much shorter, only a few words, but there was a little subtlety there that got lost.
     
  8. HevyDevy

    HevyDevy Chosen One star 5

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    I read it differently, I think it was regret. I don't think he meant for that to happen.

    Agreed, this definitely happens in ESB at some stage. The reverse of the prequel turn; a hint of Vader starting to want to save Luke rather than seeing him as a tool, reversing Anakin starting to see Padme as a tool instead of wanting to save her at the end of ROTS.

    Good point. Just an example of Lucas feeling he needs to spell everything out for us, it's quite a pointless change if you ask me.
     
  9. DARTHLINK

    DARTHLINK Force Ghost star 4

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    I saw it as regret. Vader wasn't planning on Luke letting himself fall to potential death.

    Wait, are we talking about when Luke gets sucked out the window or when he willingly lets himself drop?

    If it's the first thing, maybe mild surprise. The second thing, definitely regret.
     
  10. Drewdude91

    Drewdude91 Jedi Knight star 3

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    I think it's regretting failure. However, it is completely up to the viewer. I suspect this is a large reason of why Luca decided to have Vader in a suit. Aside from scenes such as "NOOOO!!" and him snapping people's necks on the Executor, you can't be certain what his feelings and motivations are because his voice is monotone and his face is blocked. Personally, I think this was a large reason that Vader had a suit in the OT.
     
  11. Dark Lady Mara

    Dark Lady Mara Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Regret, maybe even fear. He needs Luke for his own purposes, and maybe he's even starting to feel a little paternal at that point.
     
  12. janstett

    janstett Jedi Master star 3

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    Vader really didn't think there was any other way out... It's a "WTF" moment, he's shocked someone could turn him down.
     
  13. EHT

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    I'm thinking a lot of these responses are regarding when Luke lets himself fall, and Vader looks down in failure. But the OP seems to be talking about before that, when... well, when "Luke gets sucked out of the window". :p
     
  14. Bens_Dad

    Bens_Dad Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Well, it was Vader who was sending stuff crashing through the window. If he didn't want Luke to get sucked out, then he shouldn't have started playing dirty.

    It's quite a chilling scene when you know that Vader is Luke's father. He's pummelling him into submission, really making a point of showing Luke who the stronger warrior is. Personally, I've never been able to read anything into Vader's response when Luke goes out of the window. Sometimes it's easy to work out what he's thinking behind that mask; for me, this isn't one of those times.
     
  15. EHT

    EHT Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I agree, I don't see any reaction or emotion at all in Vader after Luke gets sucked out the window. He just seems to be thinking, "yup, he just flew out that window."

    However, when Luke lets himself fall Vader definitely seems disappointed. He seems surprised and disappointed that Luke rejected his offer, and he seems disappointed that Luke is possibly going to die. But I don't think he regretted anything he did up to that point.
     
  16. Bens_Dad

    Bens_Dad Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Yup. Vader's not that big on regret, I think.
     
  17. EHT

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    Well, not until he saves Luke and kills Palpatine anyway. :p
     
  18. Bens_Dad

    Bens_Dad Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Absolutely. ROTJ sees Vader's heart begin to thaw out after its long, dark winter.

    One of the reasons we don't see him strangle anyone in that movie is that it's harder to believe in his redemption at the end if he spends the rest of the movie being as nasty as he was before.
     
  19. janstett

    janstett Jedi Master star 3

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    They almost overplay it -- Vader is resigned and depressed in ROTJ. I always attributed it to him putting his tail between his legs in the presence of his master, but it's probably deeper as generally he knows he is going to be replaced.
     
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