Here's a debate that I never thought was a debate; was Vader's scream in The Empire Strikes Back replaced with a yell from Luke? The scene in particular is where Luke kicks Vader off the platform in the carbon freeze chamber. The yell WAS replaced in the Special Editions (the same one was used when Luke blows steam in Vader's face). Anyways here's the comparison: Original (2:41): Special Edition (2:39): The people that I'm with swear that the Special Edition grunt is from Mark Hamill... for the record, I do not. They also think the same yell when Vader has smoke blown in his face is a grunt from Luke for some reason.
Yeah, that's absolutely the same yell as when Luke blasts steam at him. It's a really weird change that's always baffled me, since it's just totally superfluous.
It's possible that the original sound element was in poor shape when constructing the Blu-Ray and thus it was replaced. The same thing happened with some of the dialogue being replaced with alternate takes.
Is that what happened with the "You're lucky you don't taste very good," "You were lucky to get out of there" swap?
Wow, I can't believe I never noticed this. I prefer the original version, mainly because who wants to hear the same grunt twice in the span of 30 seconds? Still, this is a change that is pretty superfluous.
Correct. Same with, "Trust me" being replaced with,"It's all right, I can see a lot better!". Most other changes were inflection and tone of what is said, rather than the dialogue. Lucas didn't want to just lift dialogue from a second generation source and use it. Hence the replacements.
I assure you that you are wrong and it did not take 20 years. It's just that you are not as intimately familiar with the original trilogy films as many of us here are. Perhaps you should be posting your Star Wars trivia in the prequel trilogy section since that's your area of expertise.
I'm not familar with any of the movies in that way. I'm just not a trivia person so I have no expertise in that sense.
Just to steer things back for a second but do any of you hear Luke saying "bam!"? Because that's what my friends swear they're hearing. I still only hear Vader's recycled grunt.
Could be the audio has deteriorated, but personally, I think it's just that it sounds kind of off. Perhaps a bit too throaty for the fact that he can only speak through the voice enhancer thingy
Wow. That scream always took me out of the moment, but I never knew why. Just felt wrong. I never really A/B Star Wars OT release versions, so I probably would have never discovered it. Kinda funny how your subconscious figures these things out so quickly, but doesn't share the info with you directly.
Nope. There is no audio from Luke during the duel in the carbonite chamber, other than "You'll find I'm full of surprises" and a few grunts from falling. Your friends are either pulling your leg or are hearing things.
ugh. that reminds me of the loss of vader's "bring my shuttle" said with this smouldering suppressed anger. i liked this because it gave a sense of what vader is feeling after luke chose to fall rather than join him. it was replaced by some emotionless line about preparing his shuttle for his departure or something (i forget), but basically something with no emotional tone.
It wasn't emotionless it was simply a different emotion and one that character-wise makes more sense in the context of the scenes. The current one lines up with the later Vader scene better. We don't know if it was done for this reason or simply because of the addition of Vader going to the Star Destroyer. Vader's voice is pretty threatening at any time. The revised Vader of Empire was not openly angry like in ANH.
It was more to line it up with Vader going to the Executor than to change his emotion. "Bring me my ship" doesn't work as well if he's just going to walk out onto the platform where the shuttle is. The delivery is different either because it was from a different take, or more likely someone else was speaking and the voice altered to sound like Jones. The same thing happened with the initial teaser trailer for ROTS, which did not feature Jones speaking as Vader. But it was later altered for the DVD release with Jones delivery put in place.
The biggest problem that change causes is that it disrupts the pacing during the climax of the film. I don't think the dialogue is a huge deal, but the pacing disruption is just... well kind of stupid. Why would you insert boring filler shuttle landing scenes that slow down the pace and lower the energy level during the freaking climax of the film. The musical cues don't even really fit right. I literally just don't see the point of the change... like was there some huge need to insert stock footage from ROTJ of a shuttle landing there?
The justification Lucas had was that we lose track of Vader between demanding his shuttle, to when he strolls onto the bridge of the Executor. I think Lucas felt that if there was a competing race, of sorts, we see both sides racing away from Cloud City. The footage of the shuttle reaching escape velocity and heading towards the Executor does work in terms of the pacing. The thing is that as noted, there was no other cue that would work with the landing in the docking bay. And while Lucas was going to pay to have "Victory Celebration" composed and recorded, he apparently opted to not do so for a new version of "Rescue From Cloud City" that would allow for a smoother transition between the original version and the new material edited in.
It's one of the worst changes in the trilogy. Everything about that sequence change is awful. The new line is awful. Vader sounds as if he's skipping through dewy meadow. The new line is necessitated by the awful and completely unnecessary footage of Vader walking toward the shuttle. The flight toward the Executor slows down the pacing.The Death Star outtake footage is reminiscent of a cheap, sloppy fan edit. The outtake footage cheapens the film.
