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Venator-class ships(from Ep 3 Incredible Cross Section!! possible spoilers)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Lord_Riven, May 12, 2005.

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  1. Lord_Riven

    Lord_Riven Jedi Master star 4

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    I was browsing through the bookstore today and read the Ep 3 Incredible Cross Sections...

    It says the Venator-class Star Destroyer was dvlped by KDY and then goes on to say that the Imperator-class SD overtook the Venator-class.

    But isn't that a bit early for the intro of ISDs? and the fact that there were no VSDs in Ep 2, which means that the Victory-class is less than 2 years old and then replaced by the Venator-class.

    But boy does the Venator class carry a lot of starfighters (something like 200)
     
  2. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    This is known already. But just because the Vicstar was superceded by the Impstar, doesn't mean the Impstar didn't superceded the Venstar as well. Vicstars don't have exclusve rights on that.
     
  3. BLemelisk

    BLemelisk Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Doesn't it also say in that entry that the Impstar was used in the Clone War's later stages?
     
  4. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    It seems the Vicstar outlives/replaces the Venstar at the same time the Impstar evolves the design.
     
  5. sheep21

    sheep21 Jedi Master star 2

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    whu didnt the empire keep the ven's in service as fleet carriers? Woulda been more economical than the development of an entirely new class (the Escort Carrier) and they would carry more fighters aswell.
     
  6. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    The cross sections I think make mention that the deployment method used by the Venstar leaves the flight deck very exposed, with the sliding spine doors.
     
  7. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Not to mention that with the downfall of droid armies, vast swarms of enemy starfighters were probably considered a thing of the past..
     
  8. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Venator Star Destroyers are more fleet carrier than battleship. They're not as useful for a standing military.
     
  9. Daniel-K

    Daniel-K Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Venator Star Destroyers are more fleet carrier than battleship. They're not as useful for a standing military.
    Considering that it is explicetly said that they are destroyers who also escort battleships, that's pretty much a no brainer dude.

    And they are more escort carriers, they are way too small to be fleet carriers.
     
  10. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    Considering that it is explicetly said that they are destroyers who also escort battleships...

    What battleships? Were there any Republic ships besides the Victory that came close to the Venator in sheer size?
     
  11. Daniel-K

    Daniel-K Jedi Youngling star 3

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    What battleships? Were there any Republic ships besides the Victory that came close to the Venator in sheer size?

    You want just ships bigger then it, or what?

    Imperator class star destroyer, Tector class star destroyer, Invincible class cruiser (light), Whipsaw class star cruiser (light), name of the cruiser Mace had in Shatterpoint I can't remember now, Procurator class star battlecruiser, Quaestor class star battlecruiser, Mandator class star dreadnaught, Mandator II class star dreadnaught.

    Plenty of bigger ships man. Remember, star destroyers are small ships.
     
  12. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    Republic ships. Most of the ones you metioned were built by Imperials. Besides, if the Venator is meant to supplement more powerful battleships, where are the battleships over Coruscant in RotS?
     
  13. Daniel-K

    Daniel-K Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Republic ships. Most of the ones you metioned were built by Imperials. Besides, if the Venator is meant to supplement more powerful battleships, where are the battleships over Coruscant in RotS?

    No, every single one of those was built prior to the declaration of the Empire. Have you even read either of the last two ICS's?

    As to where the battleships are, explaining that demands revealing spoilers, and I don't feel like getting banned. More to the point, I simply don't have to because it is canon that the Venators served as escorts to larger ships.
     
  14. Fingolfin_Noldor

    Fingolfin_Noldor Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Mandators were probably KDY ships drafted or the Republic made an order for those gargantuan ships. I won't be surprised the Mandator IIs had better hyperdrives or something.

    Those gun turrets the Venator has are pretty lethal actually.
     
  15. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    And they are more escort carriers, they are way too small to be fleet carriers.


    I've actually used the term "escort carrier" to liken them to WWII's flimsy escort carriers that were churned out in great numbers for the war effort, yet were abandoned immediately after the war.

    I hesitate on using the term to describe Venators, since the term escort carrier is already reserved to an even smaller class of vessel that only carries a single wing of starfighters, as opposed to the six that Venators can carry.

    Wing, of course, is being used in the Imperial sense: six squadrons.
     
  16. Fingolfin_Noldor

    Fingolfin_Noldor Jedi Padawan star 4

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    The Venators.. are fighting ships; destroyers essentially. The thing about Star Wars is that most ships are hybrids. They may be destroyers, but are also carriers at the same time.
     
  17. Daniel-K

    Daniel-K Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I wouldn't say most ships are hybrids. I'd say most of the ships we see are hybrids because we usually only see things on an extremely small scale, where a handful of people can have a big outcome. In those cases, hybrid ships make sense to deploy because their hybrid nature makes them good at crushing small things.

    But look at like the Vong war - lots of dedicated warships like the star defenders/dreadnaughts, or star destroyers minus the hybrid function, and star battlecruisers.

    In cases where a handful of people have negligible impact we see lots of large dedicated ships. Its because hybrids would be bad in those scenarios because they are the jacks of all trades, but masters of none.
     
  18. Fingolfin_Noldor

    Fingolfin_Noldor Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Were there star destroyers minus the hybrid function? I only recall the Tectors, but other than that, I can't think of any. The Mon Mothma and her sisters were hybrids I think. The Republic cruisers were dedicated warships I recall. Cheap and easy to build, and probably have the firepower of a Venator. Also, practically all the Mon Cal vessels we have encountered are hybrid ships.
     
  19. Daniel-K

    Daniel-K Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Were there star destroyers minus the hybrid function? I only recall the Tectors, but other than that, I can't think of any. The Mon Mothma and her sisters were hybrids I think. The Republic cruisers were dedicated warships I recall. Cheap and easy to build, and probably have the firepower of a Venator. Also, practically all the Mon Cal vessels we have encountered are hybrid ships
    Lets clarify on what hybrid means, shall we? I read it as "being equipped to adequately serve functions already fulfilled by other dedicatted ships". Venator counts because it serves as a carrier and troop transport. Imperator counts because it also dedicates considerable internal volume to ground troops and fighters (relative to other ships its size).

    However ships like the Mon Cal cruisers carry very few fighters for their size, and few to no troops. Smae for the NR built star destroyers. The fact that it carries troops or fighters doesn't make it a hybrid, its the fact that it carries so many relative to others in its class that defines it for me.
     
  20. Fingolfin_Noldor

    Fingolfin_Noldor Jedi Padawan star 4

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    So.. the Mon Cals have huge spaces dedicated to power generation thus more powerful turbolasers? Mon Cals were dedicated anti-ship vessels anyway.
     
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