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Amph Waiting For Superman: Gunnverse DCU/Elseworlds (New Trailer!)

Discussion in 'Community' started by Lazy Storm Trooper, Jul 2, 2013.

  1. Diggy

    Diggy Chosen One star 8

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    I am older. I thank you not.
     
  2. Diggy

    Diggy Chosen One star 8

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    Hold on...

    Is he going to pick the Asian woman as his partner? And then they fall in love? And then on the final battle he thinks she's dead?
     
  3. heels1785

    heels1785 Skywalker Saga + JCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I DONT KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU
     
  4. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    It's rather interesting that they decided to use the MOS devastation as a hook for the sequel.

    I can't think of any other franchise that contained a similar unintentional element that drew unexpected wide criticism that the creators then doubled down upon as the launching point for the sequel (let alone a shared universe)- it's almost like if AOTC had increased Jar Jar's role.

    And, really, kudos for them trying to make something like that work- it might actually redeem MOS slightly if BVS is centered around Bats calling Supes out on the **** he pulled.

    It's also possible that it could retroactively characterize this version of Superman as still evolving into the person he needs to be. Though it'd be a different course for the character, maybe in this universe it's Batman that somehow manages to imprint the values of humanity into Clark that the MOS Pa Kent failed to do.

    That way, in the end, MOS finds justification as a sort of "What If Spider-Man Didn't Have Uncle Ben?"-type exploration of the character.
     
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  5. Samwise_Skywalker

    Samwise_Skywalker Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    What makes you think it was unintentional? Goyer and Snyder likely had a good idea of where they were going with a sequel from the get go.

    Although the way you are extrapolating the events of the film are odd. Superman does little damage himself directly. Zod takes down a building. Zod throws him through a building. The military does more damage than Zod & company in Smallville. He's also battling foes who are, by the end of the film, on a suicide mission to destroy all life on Earth, and who are far more experienced in battle than he is. He is completely outmatched. Also remember that Kal-El has only had his full powers and knowledge of his parentage for a couple of days by the time Zod shows up and his first instinct is to trust Zod and humanity and turn himself over to find a diplomatic solution. In the finale, he's facing a foe who is hell bent to kill and rampage against the inhabitants of Earth to an extreme that's hard to imagine and I love that the movie faced that dilemma head on and putting Superman in a fragile situation that challenges his fortitude and how far he will go to protect humanity.
     
  6. Diggy

    Diggy Chosen One star 8

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    That is making me wet, 2nd. However, Zack Sneider.
     
  7. Samwise_Skywalker

    Samwise_Skywalker Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The craft crashes through parts of a couple of buildings near ground zero where the beam was inflicting the most damage, so this area was deserted and in ruins anyway and at least two of the buildings are already shattered to begin with.
     
  8. Diggy

    Diggy Chosen One star 8

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    I don't care, nerd.
     
  9. heels1785

    heels1785 Skywalker Saga + JCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    He just knows.

    Have you not been paying attention for the last 200 pages of this thread? The Hollywood illuminati have chosen this thread in which to reside.
     
  10. dp4m

    dp4m Mr. Bandwagon star 10

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    You rang?

    //puts on Illumninati hat
     
  11. Samwise_Skywalker

    Samwise_Skywalker Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I must have missed something...
     
  12. heels1785

    heels1785 Skywalker Saga + JCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    The meeting was pushed back an hour, dp. Didn't Morgan Freeman send you the memo?

    Let's go to Arby's.
     
  13. Diggy

    Diggy Chosen One star 8

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    That my eyes are beautiful and my arse looks as good as it did ten years ago.
     
  14. heels1785

    heels1785 Skywalker Saga + JCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I knew that "heels has good taste" post last week wasn't going to be free.
     
  15. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    The film doesn't give any indication that we were meant to focus on the reality of the devastation (beyond the general city-in-peril and disaster-survivors angles)- let alone as a distraction during the climax of the film, but even if we were meant to, they certainly didn't intend for it to be one of the top three criticisms widely leveled against the film (again, particular in regards to its climax).

    As for sequel plans- I'm sure they had general ideas but I'd question how specific they were given that the nature of the "MOS sequel" was clearly up in the air until MOS's total box office performance and reviews were more concrete (as they were previously positioning it as MOS2 and only later changed it to a film separate from MOS2) and how they seeming had to defensively react to the devastation criticisms to justify and/or downplay its effects (which would indicate they hadn't really thought about it much and/or hadn't anticipated having to address such a reaction).
     
  16. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    Why would he want a gym, he was so tiny!

    :p
     
  17. Samwise_Skywalker

    Samwise_Skywalker Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I think the devastation itself is enough of an indication that they wanted the audience to focus on it, given that it's the main focus of the film for about 30-40 minutes. Snyder isn't dumb - he knows what critics are going to attack him for, but he has the good grace not to give a damn and make what he wants to make. It's kind of funny though, Transformers blow up most of Chicago or Tokyo and no one bats an eye, but seeing Superman outmatched in a big city trying to save humanity and everyone cries about it.

    You have no evidence for this.
     
  18. dp4m

    dp4m Mr. Bandwagon star 10

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    I really hate to wade back into this because this is too stupid even for me in this thread (and, as heels and Ender will note: that's pretty bad) but... Quest is mostly correct; there's some decent amount of evidence to support these claims. Now, I'm just going to make three totally factual statements and draw the line of reasoning and stop there -- you may disagree, that's cool.

    1) WB greenlighted a sequel which they called "a Man of Steel sequel" prior to the movie coming out based solely on pre-sale tracking only, without any reviews in. (One week prior to release; reviews didn't start hitting anywhere until mid-next week)
    2) The movie came out and shattered opening weekend numbers and then nosedived (compared to other films) and ended up underperforming only to the levels in which the studio expected (which is not the same as saying it wasn't profitable, etc.)
    3) Immediately after this, at San Diego Comic Con, the previously announced "Man of Steel sequel" became "a Batman/Superman movie that's inspired by The Dark Knight Returns but which will not be The Dark Knight Returns."

    It is not a stretch to reach Quest's conclusions (as, it's basically the same conclusions as about half the pundits on the web) based on these pieces of evidence strung together. You may choose to believe or not, it's cool. And you may feel free to interpret evidence as you wish. But that's what people based their judgments on to reach the conclusions above.
     
  19. heels1785

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    God, I'm going to need some shampoo and a few brillo pads, but I think what dp said makes sense. I prefer the way he laid it out, though, as opposed to assumptions made in passing.
     
  20. dp4m

    dp4m Mr. Bandwagon star 10

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    Here you go, heels:

    [​IMG]

    [face_love]
     
  21. Penguinator

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    Didn't these two just stop arguing like a day ago?
     
  22. Samwise_Skywalker

    Samwise_Skywalker Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    And this is a Man of Steel sequel, with the same creative team as the previous film. It also introduces Batman. Remember last summer when Snyder went to SDCC shortly after Man of Steel came out and said that Batman was going to be in the movie. If it wasn't planned from the beginning, that seems like a pretty short time period to put that together.

    World War Z and Monsters University effectively took both the family and adult/teen crowd during Man of Steel's second weekend which is why it's drop was more than expected. It leveled off the following week and still managed to be the fifth highest grossing film of the year and grossed more worldwide that practically every other superhero reboot/origin of the last decade.

    Again, this was right after the film opened and they were already in pre-production on the sequel which it sure seems had already included Batman. Before Man of Steel was even released, they said that they were using it as a jumping off point for the cinematic DCU.

    Yep.
     
  23. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    When recounting recent history in the future, I'll strive to fully notate publicly available information. :p
     
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  24. I Are The Internets

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    So there really was a 10 page explosion in this thread regarding the release date? Wasn't it obvious this film was going to move?
     
  25. Mr44

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    It was.

    Once you pull back the curtain though, the magic is gone from the illusion.