Amph Waiting For Superman: Gunnverse DCU/Elseworlds (New Trailer!)

And don't get me wrong: my heart fluttered when they managed to get Bill Bixby into The Incredible Hulk movie and he will always be A Bruce Banner for me... but my older self can acknowledge it's just not made for a cinematic experience like what they did on the TV show.

 

Sure it is... or can be. It just takes the right writer's touch. They'll get it someday.

 

That's crap. Just because Banner doesn't want to turn into the Hulk doesn't mean much. A story can be implemented around that. People didn't go to see two movies in huge droves because the stories were okay, but not the best. And at the time when "The Incredible Hulk" came out in 08, there was no knowledge of a shared universe. Most didn't know about Marvel's long range plans beyond "Iron Man" and "The Incredible Hulk". Most didn't know of Fury's cameo at the end of the first film and it was only after the latter came out, did Marvel advertise Downey's cameo. A solo film would work now that the general public knows about the shared universe and a good story can be told, which will in turn bring out audiences.

I suggest you read "Up, Up And Away".

 

Please refrain from debating the merits of the Hulk; there's a thread for that, and this isn't it.

 

Peng edit: Like I just said, move along.

 

To be fair, the discussion of Hulk started as a comparison with Superman (see post #7787), which would be on-topic in a thread about DC.

 

It really would have been better if there is a MoS2 before BVS.

 

How can you tell?

 

Well, I would have like to have a Man of Steel sequel before Batman v. Superman just on the basis for character development of Superman. And when I say "character development" I mean Superman's moral code, personality and charisma. When you watch Man of Steel, Clark is unsure of the path he's suppose to take. I mean, Pa Kent did want Clark to expose his powers and his true nature of being an alien; so much so that he died so Clark wouldn't reveal he was different. Thus, we get "hobo Superman" in the beginning of the film. Pretty much the rest of the film is exposition and punching. The only time the film gave Henry Cavill an opportunity to add some personality and charm to Superman was during the interview with Lois Lane which was interrupted.

A Man of Steel sequel would probably allow Cavill to put more of his imprint on Superman and really establish the character for this new DC Cinematic Universe. Instead, Superman is going to have to share screen time with Batman, Wonder Woman, Lex Luthor and some other characters. Moreover, MOS2 would probably have made this iteration of Superman more likable and enjoyable and thus gain more support in his fight against Batman. From the BvS trailer and the source material the movie is based on (The Dark Knight Returns) Superman is portrayed in a very bad light; not the symbol of hope and inspiration that made him so popular for decades.

Yes, the Hulk and Superman are extremely over-powered and often difficult (not impossible) to write a quality story for, but unlike the Hulk, Superman has a wholesome and innocent quality about him; i.e. the world's biggest boy scout. Let Superman be that. I think this is what dp4m was referring to when he said, "Superman being Superman." Make a movie where Superman is a symbol of hope and inspiration; let him be the character that Jor El believes he can be. Marvel was able to take an outdated and old fashion character with old fashion values and make that character relevant and shine in the modern world and that's Captain America. Superman should be the Captain America of the DC Universe rather than the Hulk.

 

Substantiate.

 

Yes, also apologies for the Hulk bit (and d-s is objectively wrong ) but it was to contrast and compare Marvel's lack of Hulk (for realistic cinematic reasons) versus DC's lack of Superman (which... is insane).

Also, I don't read comics anymore really (except the Buffy/Angel/Spike/Faith stuff) but I read the summary of Up, Up, and Away from Wiki and Superman didn't seem to have pathos about being Superman and sounded like he was still being as heroic as he could be while de-powered and retook the mantle when he was powered again? Just turned down the GL power-ring?

 

What.

 

I understand what you mean about MoS, though I think having seen the movie 9 or 10 times I can spot more instances of "personality and charm", and certainly compassion, than you allow here. He's tender with his mother, for example, and has that (admittedly clunky) one-liner when he and Lois embrace. There are other moments, even during the "hobo" sequence, which reveal his kindness. And he has a certain charm in his meeting with the general at film's end. But the movie is kind of overwhelming, and these instances are fleeting, so a lot of viewers miss this stuff.

From the BvS trailers, I don't get the sense that you do that "Superman is portrayed in a very bad light; not the symbol of hope and inspiration that made him so popular for decades." On the contrary, we see the crowd (in Dia de los Muertos make-up) revere him, presumably for doing some good deed; we see him rescue stranded civilians who "call" him by painting the 'S' on a knocked-down wall. We see him save a rocket from destruction. That's all the hope-and-inspiration stuff that critics of MoS have been calling for. There it is, right there in the trailer that I for one have watched about 27 times. But somehow it gets glossed over or ignored.

Based on all this, I think it's a mistake to presume we won't get a "more likeable and enjoyable" Kal-El in BvS. Snyder appears to be addressing, one by one, the critiques raised by naysayers of MoS. The suit is brighter and more vividly colored, there are at least three scenes of rescue and inspiring hope. And just because there are other characters doesn't mean that he, Superman, won't have plenty of time to reveal and develop his character. His name is right there in the title, after all!

 

I'll agree with you that there are instances in Man of Steel where Clark shows moments of compassion and I also agree that these instances are fleeting. But I feel those instances are kind of generic. I really wanted to see more. I'm trying to think of a way to describe what I mean without using Christopher Reeve's take on character to show how Superman can be charismatic.

The trailer with the Dia de los Muertos, rescuing stranded civilians and rocket saving (to me) gets lost in the Congressional hearing and false god narration of the trailer and think that's why is gets glossed over and/or ignored.

I hope I'm wrong and Superman is more clearing define like a Captain America type of figure rather than some menacing hulk type of figure in Batman v. Superman. It's just that the movie is inspired by The Dark Knight Returns which paints Superman in somewhat of a negative light as a government stooge. Many speculate as a result of the Congressional hearing (that is shown in the trailer) that Superman will end up working for the government and perhaps Lex Luthor is appointed by Congress to monitor Superman (which might explain why there are soldiers with the Superman logo armbands); which I do not want. I feel we're going to get another movie were Superman is conflicted and depress. I just feel like with Snyder at the helm, the film will focus on why Batman is justified on taking on Superman and then switch to the both of them teaming up to take down Lex Luthor or the big baddie of the film.

I like Superman. He's one of my favorite characters. I think this iteration of Superman could have really benefited from a sequel before BvS.

 

I would take the TDKR references with a grain of salt. It's an inspiration, sure, but it's also radically different from what we can see in the trailer. Superman won't be a "government stooge"; current conjecture is that he bows to Lex because Luthor has his mother in bonds. I don't like a "conflicted and depressed" Kal either, so I'm with you there. It would be nice to have a pure, fun, cheerful Superman again, at least for a portion of the film. Maybe Snyder will surprise us, and we'll get more of that than we're expecting. Or maybe it will be more grimdark than our worst nightmares. We won't really know till March, so there's little point chewing our fingernails to the quick about it now!

 

Interesting conjecture that Luthor would be able figure out Superman's alter ego and hold Ma Kent as hostage. Interesting indeed.

Batman v. Superman is my most anticipated movie for 2016 and if it were released the same day as Captain America:Civil War as once scheduled, I'd definitely see BvS first and then probably run to the next showing for Civil War.

 

I hate crowded theatres, so I'd probably just go to a late, quiet showing a week or two down the line.

 

Go to a midnight showing... probably no one will show up...

 

What

Literally everyone in Smallville knows who he is in MoS along with Lois and (probably) various military folk. It's not going to be that hard. Unless there's a montage sequence of Superman flying around passionately kissing everyone who knows his alter ego like he did with Lois in Superman II and IV.

 

Are you telling me that Pa Kent died for nothing?

At the end of Man of Steel we get this from Clark:

 

I've been told to let the alter-ego thing go, despite it making no sense. Clearly that's the answer...

 

*looks at date thread was created, looks at number of pages*

Oh...

I see.

Fair enough then.

 

No, but you're right, of course. IT MAKES NO SENSE!!!!!!!!!11!!one!!!

 

I'm BATMAN!

 

Well now you're just repeating what I said but with an emoticon.

AND TWO CAN PLAY AT THAT GAME.