Amph Waiting For Superman: Gunnverse DCU/Elseworlds (New Trailer!)

No, I got that. I was just pointing out that there were exceptions. It was also true of the Batman film series from 89-87. The first three films were on HBO for their first run, but the fourth film instead went to TNT and TBS. The Nolan Batman films, "Superman Returns" and "Green Lantern" all went to HBO, as did "Watchmen". "Steel", on the other hand, wound up on Showtime and not HBO, if I recall. "Swamp Thing" was on HBO circa 1983-84, but "The Return Of Swamp Thing" was on Showtime and The Movie Channel in 1990. And those films were from Universal.

"Hulk" and "The Incredible Hulk" were both on HBO and Cinemax, even though they're Marvel and Universal properties.

 

To cross the streams back again Cable's rights (and all the other X-Men) were actually held by the Donners. They just had an exclusive production and distribution deal with Fox.

 

Just found this. Thanks a lot!

Batman is my favorite superhero, but there is no genre without Superman.

I think Whedon saved only one scene with Superman shot by Snyder. And while I do hope we get the Snyder Cut ( not holding my breath), I also hope JJ produces and maybe directs a Cavill Superman movie. Or maybe he could get McQuarrie to do it.

https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/www.cbr.com/mcquarrie-superman-film-henry-cavill/amp/

Thanks! I’ve heard great things about Grant Morrison.


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McQuarrie has said that WB has no interest in doing a Superman film with him. Abrams could be a possibility, but I wager he would have to be the one to push for it.

 

I just wish they hadn't gone full Hades with the armor at the end of WW. I kind of loved seeing Diana battling this nebbish looking middle-aged guy in a trench coat. When he's like floating through the air in that outfit, I thought that looked really cool and strange. They should have kept him in that guise the whole time; it would have been different at least.

 

Right. But if JJ were actually come on board, maybe talks could start up again. Even if not, there’s still Green Lantern Corps for either or both of them. But should JJ come on board, if we got him, McQuarrie, and Reeves in one group, Hamada, Wan, Sandberg, 2 very different groups. I love the MCU, but hopefully the Worlds of DC will be more diverse, especially with a DC Dark/Black in the mix.


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First thing JJ is gonna do when he gets settled into WB is slap that dusty script for Superman: Flyby he has sitting in a drawer and say "Make this now or I walk."

 

WB spent tons of money to sign Abrams exclusively and one of his specialties is rebooting franchises. And arguably, Superman needs a reboot. I haven't read Superman: Flyby, but that title would need to be changed if Abrams were to use it. What I like about Abrams being discussed as a potential director of a Superman movie is his sense of adventure, use of bright colors, likable characters and nostalgia. All hallmarks for a wonderful Superman movie.

I want a Superman movie that celebrates the character, rather than one that calls him into a congressional hearing. And I would prefer an announcement that a Superman movie is actually in the works sooner than later.

 

I wish Mr. Abrams luck with his DC adventures. I want WB to succeed with their DC movies again. I'd love an adult Green Arrow movie, none of this CW business, please.

I am not much of a fan of J.J., but I have to admit @Sith_Sensei__Prime nailed how J.J. could make a Superman movie work.

 

I... actually think that JJ may be a perfect fit there?

He's extremely good at pastiche-style films (Star Wars), just not where he's writing them from whole cloth (Super 8)... so if he's explicitly replicating the older style of the Donnerverse or the George Reeves serials or even The Animated Series, but has a competent writing team adapting existing Superman stories, that could be really interesting.

 

His buddy Matt Reeves is doing The Batman. Turns out Reeves had been considered by Nolan for Man of Steel.


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No. That was an awful, awful script. If you think people freaked out over Superman breaking Zod's neck, how do you think they'd feel about a five year old Superman killing a guy who is about to rape Martha, by slamming him through a table, while wearing the Superman suit, which acts like the Symbiote from Marvel. Or Jor-El who commits harikari, in order to convince his son to come back from the dead, in order to stop Ty-Zor. And a Lex Luthor who is a Kryptonian bounty hunter, posing as a CIA agent. And a Jimmy Olsen who isn't gay, but acts like a bad gay stereotype.

 

That article did point out there was a 2nd draft of Superman: Flyby which I believed toned down a lot of stuff. (for example, in the 2nd draft Lex isn't a Kryptoinan but he does get a brain smarts upgrade) Or maybe JJ just totally loves that first draft. I'm totally kidding but it would be amusing if JJ's first crack at DC Superheroes is "I wrote this script 20 years ago and I want it in it's purest form!"

 

The marketing for the film has been pretty good. I like this magazine cover.

 

I never read about the content of the script. Just JJ had a Superman script. Damn. Snyder coming off looking good here.


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God I feel like we keep running around and around this particular track ...

So Birds of Prey is doing reshoots. /shoulder shrug

And it's becoming a story for some reason. Reading some random article about it and that reason appears to be Grace Randolph. Now this makes sense.

She made a splash a little while back with her "Black Mask is gay and stashed some junk picks in a diamond" story. Now apparently she's peddling MASSIVE BoP reshoots are happening, probably as a cover when the stuff she threw a fit over isn't that big of a deal in the final product (because it never was). That way she can proclaim "Mission accomplished! Good job Warner Brothers, you listened to me. See everybody, the spoiler crusade was worth it."

A really good breakdown in this twitter thread:

 

Whatever... I wish DC the best with every movie they do. I can’t be bothered with YouTube bs, especially over reshoots.

The proof is in the movie itself.

 

Basically, there are the Pre-Crisis (1935-1986) versions of the characters, which are the ones their actual creators wrote and intended. Then there's the various Post-Crisis (1987-present) versions, which are reimaginings by a variety of writers and artists. So when you read Marvel, the characters are (allegedly)the same characters that Lee, Kirby, Ditko, etc, created, while the DC characters are reimagined versions based on the original characters. DC's never going to do any movies based on the original versions of their characters, mostly because DC are idiots and they hate their characters.

Although I am a Pre-Crisis purist, I actually consider what Marvel has done worse. At least I know when DC degrades, humiliates and kills their characters, at least it's not the real versions that their creators originated. Pretending that Stan and Jack's Reed Richards (for example) is the same person that's done some of the cruel, immoral and close to evil things they've had Reed do is disgusting.

 

First off, the Pre-Crisis characters are not the actual characters as originally envisioned by their creators. Superman was not the same after Jerry Siegel was drafted. Especially Superboy, who was going to be different from what Mort Weisinger's version wound up being. Not to mention how Lois and Clark wound up being for years and years, which went against Siegel's vision for the characters. Denny O'Neill's Wonder Woman and Green Arrow is not the same as their creators. So that argument falls apart real quick.

Second, DC has no say in what's done with their films and television shows. Warner Brothers does. And none of the films were ever like the comics. Not even the Superman films with Christoper Reeve. What the filmmakers have done over the years is adapt the characters in order to sell the BS that is comic books, to a wider audience. What has been done was the filmmakers took the best of all versions and use them together. "Wonder Woman" is basically a combination of Marston, Perez and Azzarello. "Aquaman" is a combination of Weisinger, David, Fleming and Johns. "Green Lantern" was Broome, Priest, Giffen, Jones and Johns.

Third, when all is said and done, these are still the same characters no matter who is involved in their creation. It's as true with Marvel as it is with DC. This is what happens with corporate characters.

 

Not quite. Jerry Siegel intended for Superboy to be added in 1938, and wrote many Superboy stories when he returned to DC in the 60's. The only versions of Superman to have Siegel stories as part of their canon was the Earth-One and Earth-Two versions. COIE threw every Siegel Superman story out of canon. The same goes for Batman and Wonder Woman with Finger and WMM. And other Golden Age characters who lost their Earth-Two versions due to COIE suffered the same fate, like Green Arrow and Aquaman. The current DC versions of all their characters have no stories written by their creators in their canon. The characters they parade around called Hal Jordan and Barry Allen have very little in common with the characters as originally created. Geoff Johns in particular creates different characters and passes them off as established characters. Hal Jordan was not a ripoff of Maverick from Top Gun, and Barry Allen did not have a stereotypical tragic past when they were created.

And yes, I know the Christopher Reeve movies were woefully inaccurate. I knew that since 1978. There's never going to be a superhero movie that is faithful to what the creators intended. Anything that is even remotely close is pretty exciting to see.

So no, I don't really consider any version of a character that disregards the work of that characters creators to be the original character. I don't consider EON's James Bond to be Fleming's James Bond, either. I unfortunately have to consider Disney's Luke Skywalker as the same character as George Lucas' Luke Skywalker, because I-VI are still part of their continuity.

And that's where DC throwing those stories out is a blessing in disguise. I know the current versions are not supposed to be the exact same characters their creators wrote. And therefore, I can dismiss anything that really sickens me because I know the real, untainted versions are on Earths One, Two, etc. But it's harder to do with Marvel and impossible to do with Star Wars, at least for me it is.

That doesn't mean i don't like some latter day versions of these characters. The only two versions of Wonder Woman I consider essential are WMM and Perez, for example. But it does mean I rank the work of their creators over all others. So I consider Jerry Siegel Superman stories to be more important and more prime material than anyone else, and the more I can see Jerry's vision in other people's work, the more authentic it is to me. That's probably why Elliot S! Maggin is my second favorite Superman writer after Jerry.

 

Why is it hard to do with Marvel?


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Because Marvel claims the current versions of their characters are the same ones that were in their original comics, even though in many cases they've done things that completely contradict their original personalities and they've shoehorned in a million ridiculous retcons.

 

WB rolling out the subliminal messages for this one.

Spoiler

 

Just watched 2 episodes of Swamp Thing , slow and boring and hardly any Swamp Thing.