Was Anakin in the suit?

At the end of ROTJ, when Luke is burning the DV suit, was Anakin in the suit or was Luke just burning what he believed to be a bad influence or memory?

 

The suit. Anakin had disappeared.

 

Well he was doing a ceremonial funeral, obviously. Realisticly, it's not like Luke could've sent him to the embalmers for a fix up and dress him in formal clothes or anything. So you know... he was on the pyre with what he was last wearing.

That said, do you think there was any "body" in that suit when it was being burned? Did Anakin become more powerful than one could possibly immagine by that time?

 

It was just the suit, no body.

 

I like to think the body was in it, as while he was able to come back as a Force-ghost Qui-Gon never taught him the Jedi disappearing act as he taught Obi-Wan and Yoda.

 

The story has changed over the years. Originally i believe it was that his body was in there but then around the time of the SE it was changed so that it was the empty armour, implying he dissapeared after dying.

 

I never saw him fade away....

And while we're on the topic I never saw Obi-Wan fade away either.

 

Now why do you want to go around giving out false information like that?

Have you ever heard of a funeral pyre for an empty suit?

 

What are you talking about? Vader swings and Obi-wan's robe drops, then Vader steps on the robe to make sure he is gone. Vader must have been puzzled because no one fades away like that.

It's just the suit. Luke is giving his father a proper Jedi funeral. If it were the body, then he would NOT appear as a force ghost.

 

I personally like to think I also to believe that if he did the Jedi "Disappearing" thing before Luke got onto the shuttle to leave the Death Star, he wouldn't have bothered to bring the suit back to Endor. The Suit was Darth Vader and everything that persona embodied. Paying homage by burning the bodyless suit on a funeral pyre would be more like honoring Darth Vader, Sith Lord and not Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Knight. This was the final part of Vader's redemption. The last remaining Jedi, Luke Skywalker, forgives his father and former nemesis and chooses to give him a ceremonial Jedi funeral. This act by Luke completes Anakin's journey from The Force, to young boy, to Jedi Knight, To Sith Lord, To Jedi Knight, and finally back to the force.

I found it hard to properly articulate my thoughts...I hope you guys someone understand what I am trying to say.

Carnage

 

Empty suit - like everyone else (but Qui-Gonn), Anakin vanished.

 

Qui-Gon's body was burned, and he learned how to appear as a Force ghost.

 

It appears you missed the portion of the dvd commentary where Lucas confirms that Luke burns his father's "body"...

...and that Anakin is able retain his form with the assistance of Obi Wan and Yoda.

How do you give a 'proper Jedi funeral' to clothing?

Does this mean Obi Wan's robes never received a 'proper Jedi funeral'?

Further, if Vader's clothing was worthy of a 'proper Jedi funeral', then why not Yoda's blanket?

 

But Yoda's robes disappeared with him, remember?

And Anakin got a set of new robes when he got to Jedi-Heaven and so did Obi-Wan and Yoda.

 

Maybe the 2007 uber-SE will have a proper naked Obi Wan, as it was intended to be seen.

 

Obi Wan's robes disappeared with him. His outer cloak stayed behind.

Yoda's robes disappeared with him. His blanket stayed behind.

 

That would all depend on what's in the Suit.

Sure, we know that the Suit was partially composed of all four of AnaVader's mechanical limbs, but what else in Vader's body was mechanical, and would have staed behind once Anakin's body had joined with the Force?

From what I recall, the Vader Suit seemed to be pretty filled out (as if there was SOMETHING in the Suit) on that pyre, but I could be wrong...

 

A long, long time ago, (1983 actually) I went to this movie and saw Luke's father die and not disappear.

Then I saw Luke burn the body on a funeral pyre.

A short time after that, Anakin's spirit appeared and joined the spirits of Obi Wan and Yoda.

It all seemed very simple and easy to follow.

Twenty one years later, Lucas released the film on dvd and recorded a commentary in which he confirmed what was already obvious back in '83.

I don't understand how people can still be confused.

 

Exactly.

 

in the words of the great Mr. Hand
what's wrong with you people, are you on DOPE!

 

I agree with you completely, and i think the "confused" have missed something.

It's simple, the people are looking for an in universe answer to why Anakin could appear after death without fadding away but Qui-Gon couldn't.

Being the choosen one and as well not the one who originally broke ground on this technique does not seem to be enough for people to suspend their disbelief.

I have no problem at all accepting everything you put forward because in my estimation one of two things is true:

Qui-Gon could not reapear as himself not because he did not fade away but because he was the first jedi to retain any of his identity after death and after teaching this technique yoda and Obi-wan were able to improve upon it to the point where they were able to help anakin even after he died without knowing the technique.

OR...

Because Anakin is so powerful and so linked to the force in the first place, being born from it after all, he gets a "free pass". I do not have a problem believing Anakin can do things in death no other jedi can, he's been doing that since the day he was born practically.

 

Lucas says "body" in the commentary, but I don't think he meant his "organic" body, if you will. Half of him is still in the suit, the cyborg part. George had Pablo Hidalgo say in the OS databank entry that Anakin disappeared. Supposedly that came straight from Lucas. I'd rather think he didn't because it makes it appear he was able to become a ghost on his own.

I think Luke would burn the suit regardless of a body in it or not, as it's closure.

 

Exactly, it's the last physical remnants of Vader being destroyed.

 

That doesn't make sense. The last physical remnants of Vader would have been destroyed when the Death Star went up. If Vader was meant to disappear at the exact time of his death, he would have been shown to disappear like Obi-Wan & Yoda. Instead we see Luke struggling to carry his body back to the shuttle. Just because he leaves a corporeal form doesn't mean he can't still transcend to the force!

 

well this can be challenged but it's really simple...How would the suit keep it's form without the body?

plus I believe other people who have posted earlier with me