Was Anakin right about Padme and Obi Wan?

In Revenge of the Sith it was clear that Anakin genuinely suspected that Obi Wan Kenobi and Padme were having an affair. Given the nature of Anakin and Padme's own "secret" relationship, Padme was certainly capable of such "illicit" relationships. So there is really no iron clad proof in the films that Anakin wasn't right--could Luke and Leia actually be Obi Wan's children? That Anakin believes this really makes the "turn" more credible and further explains why Vader isn't obsessed with the idea that his children might have survived Padme's death in the original Star Wars (here known as ANH). What if Anakin was right?

 

No, he wasn't. There's certainly not out right proof, but we've seen what Obi-Wan was doing at Padme's apartment(in the RotS novel) and it was the two of them talking about Anakin, as Obi-Wan was concerned for him. I always took it as the paranoid ramblings of a newly converted Sith Lord.

 

Yeah, whoa... Anakin was just so deep in paranoia at the time of RotS (surely a subconscious marking of his slipping to the Dark Side) that he thought everyone was conspiring against him... Consider the many many instances throughout RotS where Padme or Obi Wan try to reach out to him to find out what's wrong, he merely continues to distance himself from them, to the point where it basically had to be an intervention by the two people who cared about him most... Which again, went terribly wrong... And I think you totally missed the point of the prequel trilogy... Anakin did very little that was right, which is why we get Darth Vader... He's not supposed to be the kind of sympathetic character that you're implying... He's just meant to be pathetic...

 

I actually think Obi Wan was hittin' it. Twice in ROTS he was at the apartment with Padme before Anakin showed up.

And didja see the smile on Padme's face? Looked to me like a smile of satisfaction.

And let's not forget at the end of TPM when Obi Wan and Padme give each other the "gimme" eyes.

Yep...Padme deserved what she got. She's a cheater.

 

I thought the point of the PT was to show how Anakin, "a good man" (as implied by Ben's speech to Luke in his hut in Star Wars (d.b.a. ANH here)) fell to the dark side. Having your wife cheat on you with your best friend would accomplish this in a much more direct way than even fearing for the life of your beloved. Anakin's fall is supposed to be a tragedy (George Lucas himself has called his completed vision "the Tragedy of Darth Vader"), so, actually, Anakin is supposed to be a sympathetic character who declines and becomes pitiable (pathetic).

 

What creditable (or semi-crediable) evidence is there that Obi-wan and Padme had a sexual relationship?

 

There is no clear evidence, but other visions/fears/intuitions of Anakin's were indeed true (i.e. the death of his mother, losing Padme (even if he was partially responsible), etc.). And there is no strong evidence to the contrary either.

 

Just because there is no evidence to the contrary doesn't mean that it happened. This whole thing is a great big piece of fanon IMO.

 

I LOVE the idea that Anakin thinks Padme's children are Obi Wans. Note: ANAKIN THINKS. The fact that they really are Obi Wan's children destroys the whole meaning of the OT, ESB and ROTJ really. But just the idea that in ANAKIN'S mind, they are works really well. Its really really deep and I never thought of that before.

He thinks its Obi Wan's child until Palpatine tells him in ESB, which maybe begins his redemption and gives so much more weight to "I am your father"...You really hit the nail on the head. Thats awesome!


"This boy is the offspring of ANAKIN SKYWALKER."

"How is that possible?"

"Your destiny lies with ME, Skywalker. OBI WAN knew this to be true."

"Obi Wan was wise to hide her from me...now his failure is complete..."

Thanks, Darthpoppy.

 

I really wish Lucas had gone a little further with this idea, it would be a much better reason for Anakin's turn and hatred for Obi Wan and the Jedi, even if it was just a false perception on his behalf (i.e. it didn't have to be a real love triangle, Anakin just was led to believe that it was) or it could have been an actual love triange, either way, the paranoia based on a cheating spouse (or a potentially cheating one) would bring any guy to blows with anyone, even their "best friend" (which is the worst situation imaginable).

 

I vaguely recall a critic actrully commenting about this love triangle and how ambigously it works in the context of the movie wherein we, like Anakin, are kept in the dark and do not really know if there is something going on between them, giving us more connection to Anakin. Most telling is the scene where Anakin questions Padme about Obi Wan being in her apartment.

"Obi Wan has been here, hasen't he?"

"He stopped by this morning."

"What did he want?"

etc.


I think the theme IS pretty strong in the film as is; Esp. with that little vision Anakin has on the couch of Obi Wan with Padme during childbirth. Its more subtle but its still THERE. Hammering it home would have been just stupid because its not the only reason he turns to the dark side. If it was, SW would just be a soap oprea.

Anakin turns for a deeper reason. To control life by keeping the ones he cares about from dying. Which I don't care who you are, but everyone in the WORLD can be tempted by that power, to cheat death. Its very enagaging and very human.

Its a universal theme that any member of the human species can adhere to. A very basic and generic facet, and isin't that what SW is all about, and why it is so successful worldwide?

 

I don't think there was ever anything sexual between Padme and Kenobi. I think it was all in Anakin's twisted mindset.

 

Thats exactly what I'm saying.

 

Then we agree.

 

There is no clear evidence, but other visions/fears/intuitions of Anakin's were indeed true (i.e. the death of his mother, losing Padme (even if he was partially responsible), etc.).

But the film made it clear those things came to him through the force.

Besides, had Anakin been given any good reason to believe Obi-wan and Padme were having off-screen action scenes together, then he would have doubted Luke's parentage and that would have needlessly complicated the turn in ROTJ. It's an interesting concept, but wouldn't work with ROTJ. Perhaps if Anakin thought that he was trying to move in on Padme, but hadn't yet succeeded, that might have worked.

 

Obi-Wan is Luke's father only in symbolic form. He's Luke's good father in the OT, as opposed to Vader's bad father.

Anything else is nonsense.

 

Ah, it was once a place for serious discussion of the SW Saga. Alas....

 

Ha! You're mad! Why do you think Vader and Luke developed a fateful bond? Why do you think they could feel each others presence? Because, believe it or not, they were both father and son.

 

Don't forget, Palpatine also said Luke's ROTJ lightsaber was like his fathers, when the hilt more closely resembled Obi-Wan's than Anakin's old lightsaber.

Makes you wonder...

(not really, I'm just kidding, before anyone gets the wrong idea.)

 

If Obi-Wan and Padme did have an affair and consume a child, Lucas would have shown us more of it. He would have shown more tensional scenes between Obi-Wan and Padme. Possibly he would have shown a kissing scene...

There's absolutely nothing in the entire saga, let alone the PT, that indicated that these two people did indeed have an affiar. To me, it's ludicrous.

 

Seeing Padme and Obi wan "consume a child" would have been pretty nasty!!
Though regarding your point, I think you are correct.

 

It is ridiculous to be honest. At the end of the day, killing children and being burned alive aside, Star Wars is a family film. Adultery doesn't fit into that. That why Lucas cut the more obvious lines that hint at Anakin's paranoia. There are a few more explcit hints if you read the script, to the point of Anakin saying something to the effect of "What have you two been up to?" when Padme shows up on Mustafar. It was a large subplot at one time but it isn't really Star Wars when you think about.

 

It was a large subplot at one time but it isn't really Star Wars when you think about.


Luke-Leia-Han?

 

That was pretty much one scene in ANH.

I sure didn't see a serious triangle from the start of TESB on.

 

There is a triangle of sorts wrt Obi-Wan, Anakin and Padme, but not in the obvious way hollywood does these things. I never saw Obi-Wan remotely interested in Padme in a sexual or romantic way, but both Obi-Wan and Padme's lives revolve around Anakin quite a bit. They are in competition of sorts with each other for Anakin. Obi-Wan is Anakin's master and still has plenty of sway, while Padme, the wife also pulls him in a different direction.

Anakin's animosity about Obi-Wan and Padme together, is really just about someone who doesn't like people talking about him while he's not there. He's a bit paranoid on that score; not that Obi-Wan and Padme are seeing each other, but that they discuss him, and he doesn't like it. That's what I saw in the movie. The second vision where he was a bit testy with Padme about Obi-Wan coming to see her didn't exactly put him in a great mood. In this vision, he's not even there and Obi-Wan has replaced him at the birth scene. That would disturb him easily; so he's angry that Obi-Wan has substituted him here and worried what that might mean, and when Anakin is a mix of emotions that aren't based on anything tangible but on dreams, well...anything can happen.