Was Darth Vader planning to kill the Emperor in the whole trilogy?

I was thinking about this and I know Vader was going after Luke and was going to use him to strike the emperor. Was he planning to kill Palpatine before he knew about Luke?

 

I'd guess that the decision to kill the Emperor was made in a single instant as Darth Vader saw the Emperor killing Luke, Vader's only son.

You have to think that if Vader had planned to kill the Emperor, he could have done so or attempted to do so at some point before then. I don't think it ever crossed Vader's mind and, even if it ever did, Vader's fear that the Emperor would have "sensed" that plan pushed it out pretty fast.

 

TLJ Edit: No Spoilers!

 

Spoilers.... Edit your post...

 

Its a basic rule of the Sith. Because there can only be 2 sith, a master and apprentice, eventually the apprentice kills the master to become the master themslves. I'm not sure where I heard this, but I know it's true.

 

Sith are always plotting against each other. However, Vader's lost potential leaves him at a point where he's still quite powerful, but not enough to usurp the emperor. His plans of conquest only come into being when the opportunity arises - in the form of his perfectly healthy, vulnerable, powerful son.

 

maybe it was sometime in his head, because darth vader want to be master and apprentice no more, so he has to kill the emperor, and this idea come to his mind maybe when he knew of luke was his son...

 

Hard to say. I think that it was meant to triumph the whole 'family love' thing. He might have thought about killing him before for his own evil gains.

You saw the instant he left the dark side and then he killed palpy.

 

Sure he thought of killing him. He said as much to luke in TESB.

"Join me and we shall rule the galaxy as father and son."

He needed an apprentice to help him destroy the Emperor, but I am sure once he realized he had a son that he began thinking of the possibilities.

 

In ESB, when Vader said to Luke how they can rule the galaxy as father and son, I thought it implied it would be ruled as Emperor, Vader and Luke. Other than this utterance and Vader throwing the Emperor off the ledge in ROTJ, there is no hint Vader had any plans on the Emperor. So I'm not sure if Vader really wanted to kill the Emperor until the Emperor was finishing off Luke.

 

I think KennyT summed it up best. There was definitely an offer in ESB and I would imagine there might be some extra insight into Vader's thoughts in ROTS. At least I can only hope.

 

He did not say "Join me and we can help the Emperor rule the universe as father and son." He was planning on being the top dog, the head cheese, the big tomato, the front man, the head houncho, the big enchilada... well you get the picture.

 

I think that KennyT perfectly expressed Vader's intentions in TESB.

 

I also heared that there can only be 2 Sith, Yoda said so in TPM, so I think Vader always knew a time would come where he would kill Palps, but he was afraid of him since he is a machine and he knew Palps was still very powerful. Now, since he found out Luke had great powers and he was his son, he thought, hey maybe the time has come. However, Palps sensed that, that is why he wanted Luke to be brought to him. Vader on the other hand sensed Palps knew something was up, so he got all scared, that is why in RotJ he is very obedient and tells Luke it is to late for him, and he seems scared of Palps and almost hypnotized by him. Vader feared Palps (remember fear leads to the dark side...) that is why he didn't help Luke at first. But at the end, Anakin's love for Luke was stronger than his fear of Palps and the power of the Dark Side. Anakin killes Palps and brings back balance to the Force.

 

i also do think that is wasn"t his intention to kill him.. he just saw his son on the ground

 

I cannot remeber were I read this, somewhere along the back of the ROTJ case I do believe, or I can go find it later.....

After luke jumps of that little platform after his hand is cut off and learning Vader is his father....something "sparked" in vader....the emporer sinced something and that is why Palpy changed his top notch position to watching over the rebuilding of the Death Star to distract him from luke.

The emporer obviously knew something was up,and didn't favor Vader anymore...he probly figured if something wasnt done Vader would turn.

 

"Spoilers.... Edit your post..."

It was in the game and was an alternate ending. So it isnt a spoiler as we arent talking about games.

 

It was a spoiler. Very clearly so.

and you might want to re-read the Spoiler Policy, because "it's in the game" is no argument


now, no more RotS talk in here until Monday

 

I think he was, its part of the rule of two. In order to become the dark lord the apprentice must kill the master. But yet at the same time he must serve his master. So it can work either way.

 

There is actually a line in ANH where vader and OBwan are fighting and either just before or just after vader kills obwan he says "now the student has become the master" so would that signify that there are only two at the top on both sides of the fence. Both sith and jedi? And I believe that vader wanted to kill the emperor after finding out about Luke. He seemed less humble towards the emperor after TESB. just a thought

 

TLJ Edit: While not a clear spoiler, it's too much info

 

I haven't seen episode three yet. I hope to this weekend

 

Yes he planned to kill the Emperor and take over, but he knew he could not do it himself b/c he would probably get killed in the process.

I don't think anyone mentioned the other line from Vader to Luke in ESB along with the "Together we can rule the galaxy as Father and Son" line. He tells Luke, "You can destroy the Emperor, he has foreseen it." Why would he tell Luke that if those were not his intentions. He wanted to overthrow Palps.

Vader also knew Palps wanted Luke to repace Vader.
Palps: "Take your Father's place at my side"

 

TLJ Edit: That however was a spoiler

 

Daddy Darth nails it. 100% correct.