Was Isard Ultimately Responsible for Fall of Empire?

Had Ysanne Isard put the Empire over her own political ambition, would it have beaten the Alliance? First, she pits the Ruling Council against Pestage, rather than trying to force them to work together, and thus remain a cohesive government. Then, when Thrawn takes control of the Empire, she plots in the bckground. She plans to wait until he fails, then take the Lusankya and conquer the Warlords. What if she had contacted Thrawn, then allowed him to provide the primary front against the New Republic, while she gathers the Warlords behind her and leads in the second assault. The Republic would have been devastated.

 

Isard didn't want to share power with anyone. It was either her way or the highway.

Of course, there is that speculation that by Isards Revenge she knew that the Emperor was still alive...

 

She was in contact with Thrawn and didn't call him back to the main galaxy. Yeah, she screwed it all up right there.

 

Charles did a retcon a couple of weeks ago regarding this.
Isard

 

I also came up with the theory that Isard knew she herself wouldn't survive even if the Empire endured and turned over Coruscant to wipe out 80% of the Empire's Bureaucracy and leadership.

 

Could you elaborate on that theory or give a link to it?

 

I can never provide links and my search ability is lousy, why I assumed the Lightsaber of Truth thread was dead. Suffice to say, my original theory was that Yssane Isard's position was politically untenable at the time of Rogue Squadron and preferred to destroy the Empire's forces underneath her by turning over Coruscant (with no evacuated leadership) than being overthrown.

Isard's plan would then be to return to the planet after bankruptcy as one of the sole surviving imperial leaders.

 

IMO, Isard's main goal to cripple the New Republic with the Kyrtos Virus was a huge mistake. Had she defended Coruscant with a sizable Imperial fleet, the Ackbar's forces would of most likely suffered heavy losses securing the capital. Such a outcome would of produced one of two results:

1. A sizable Imperial forces might of convinced the New Republic to hold off from taking Coruscant. As the Provisional Council said, it was risky to tie up to many ships in one place, for fear of leaving the rest of the NR vulnerable.

2. The New Republic fleet would of acchieved a phyric victory. While Coruscant would of been taken, their forces would of been damaged beyond repair. The fleet would of either been destroyed by another Imperial force (or warlord) or key NR worlds would of fallen.

Isard's plan was not a good one, IMO.

--Adm. Nick

 

It was if you assume that she had no desire to preserve the Empire under her.

 

I like the idea that it was a failed attempt at carrying out one of Thrawn's plans. It was strange enough that it could have been one of his plans, but she just wasn't able to do it well. We know that they were in contact at that time, so it's possible. And if Formbi really was acting under a clone of Thrawn in Survivor's Quest, it was a very similar thing, the only difference is that he was able to scrape out a victory thanks to Luke and Mara. As Isard said, don't trust anyone but yourself with important things



But there are several questions about her: Did Thrawn know she survived Thyferra (as mentioned above, she could have helped bring some warlord in, rather than Palpatine sucking them all up). Did Palpatine know she was alive? (Probably) Did she know Palpatine was alive?

 

Would Thrawn have liked to share with Isard? I doubt it.

 

To answer these questions.

1. Isard found out Palpatine was alive when he presumably contacted inbetween Isard's Revenge and the last book of the original Rogue Squadron series.

2. Palpatine knew she was alive

 

Makes sense. Do you have a source for the first one?

 

It's not exactly rocket science that Isard is panicking in her first person perspective.

A panic she didn't have before.

She could have gotten the Lusunkya at any time before but it was a NOW, Urgent matter.

 

Is the link you're looking for the one that's in my post near the beginning of this thread? The word Isard is a link to your old retcon about Isard letting Imperial center fall.

 

That makes sense. Of course, it's been a while since I read Isard's Revenge, so there may be more clues.

 

Actually, there's another thread.

The NRM thread is the mystical one.
The other is the political one.

 

Palpatine's Empire was doomed anyway. It would require a Sith Lord on par with Palpatine to save the day, and its survival would be in question even then.

 

Oh, if only Trioculus or fake-Kadann had been able to hold on, they could have done it.

 

You know, I think that Hissa's plan with Trioculous wasn't that bad actually. Trioculous was a complete moron but Hissa was clearly the brains behind him even in the original story.

 

What the Empire needed to hold together post-Endor was Pestage taking power, purging the plotters and incompetents, and finding a suitable figurehead behind which to rally the Empire -- someone like Fel, or Thrawn, or Makati. Anyone who had credibility and military ability, but not so much ambition as to create infighting.

 

Too bad Pestage was Tarkinised.

 

I think the Empire's fall is entirely the stuff of Palpatine.

Endor: Palpy dies and immediately the controlling yoke of rule is broken, Pestage makes an attempt, but really it's all unravelling. Everyone works to their best interest, not to the service of the throne.

For those that may have known of Neo-Palpy (and I am troubled by the growing fascination with this) actions were tainted by fear of Palpy's intentions and confusion over why things were done the way they were done.

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Lets face it folks, if Palpatine's clone plan were truly going to be successful, he should've appeared from the balcony of the Imperial Palace in the middle of the Party in ROTJ..scare the "bleep" out of the galaxy and cause immediate resignation to the fact that their Emperor cannot die.

Anyway you slice this pie, it's Palpatine...all others are pawns.