Was Ki-Adi Mundi a Master during his time on the Jedi Council????

I'm having a serious debate about this with my friend and we can't find the answer in the SW databank.

I'm saying he was a master during his time on the council and my friend is saying he was a knight during PM, but he was still on the council.

Sound off and help me win this debate

Tinkky

 

YES I AGREE.

 

Uhhh...who do you agree with? That would be helpful and do you have anything to back up your agreement. He swears he read this on the back of his action figure, but it doesn't state this in the SW databank.

Tinkky

 

In ROTS Anakin said something like you can't be on the council without being a master so everybody who has been on the council has been a master including Ki-Adi Mundi.

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SOORY, I AGREE HE WAS A MASTER AS ANAKIN STATES THERE HAS NOT BEEN A KNIGHT ON THE COUNCIL IN EPISODE 3.

 

Here is a quote from Mundi's profile in the databank. He says this supports his reasoning that not all who were/are on the council are masters.

"They are governed by a High Council of 12 Jedi -- most of them Jedi Masters -- who contemplate the very nature of the Force."


I'm saying this statement applies to ROTS since Anakin was on the council and he is not a master, as is stated in ROTS.

Tinkky

 

Im agreeing, he has to be a master since he's on the council....

 

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Don't I know it!

He won't agree with what I believe is canon, that which is strictly in the movies.

So...I'm going to go with evidence from EU as well, since the movie clearly states that everyone who has been on the council in the history of the jedi has been a master. Yet he read this on the back of Ki-Adi's action figure, the one released after PM. So...I would think he would accept something from the EU that contradicts this.

Tinkky

 

The original back story was that Ki-Adi Mundi was the only Jedi Knight serving on the council. This was TPM though, he was a master as of AOTC.

 

What original backstory? Is this in the novelization or something?

Tinkky

 

The Pre-AOTC website, the Decipher card games, and I'm pretty sure even the original TPM action figure card.

 

Thanks Boss! This answers the question because he seen this on the action figure, which from my opinion is totally bogus. He will be happy that he partially wont this debate.

Tinkky

 

Never knew Ki was a master in Ep2. Glad to hear it. He is (was) one of the classy Jedi.

 

Off of the databank, ki-adi was indeed a knight:

In another exception to the traditions of the Jedi, Ki-Adi-Mundi was the sole Jedi Knight serving on the Council during the start of his tenure, sitting amongst an assemblage of Jedi Masters. Around the time of the Battle of Naboo, Ki was embroiled in a political struggle as proponents of progress sought to change Cerea's serene ways. Ki's own daughter, Sylvn, joined the radicals, placing her life in danger as she became kidnapped by the criminal gun-runner Ephant Mon. Ki tracked Mon to Tatooine, discovered the duplicitous involvement of the Trade Federation, and rescued his daughter.

 

Ki was a Knight at the time of TPM, but had achieved the rank of Master by AOTC.

 

See, I wasn't crazy! Not fully crazy, anyway.

 

You might want to check the original ongoing comic series by Dark Horse -- Prelude to Rebellion. That was Ki-Adi-Mundi's first appearance (it was released before TPM and worked as a prologue for his character).

Regarding his rank, I think the comic series has now been discredited by ROTS. I'm pretty sure KAM was only a Knight when he was put on the Council in the comics.

In addition, KAM also had several wives if I recall correctly. This was discredited by AOTC (no attachments).

Poor KAM. He was a nice guy, too.

 

Ki-Adi Mundi was a real killer with the ladies.

 

What's up with Ki-Adi Mundi having a daughter?

 

Ki had lots of daughters - something about Cereans having 1 son out of 10 children on average or so - which is why he was given special permission to have a family (otherwise it would be tantamount to attempted genocide). Jedi rules were strict, but it's nice to know exceptions were made.

Ki was a knight during TPM, but soon after that he took on a padawan, and I think by AOTC A'Sharad would have become a knight, making Ki a master. Or was A'Sharad still a padawan after all those years?

Anakin's reaction could well have been simply due to ignorance of Ki's background (he was only a kid during Ki's admission to the Council). Anakin didn't know that Jedi rules were tempered with understanding and were flexible if the circumstances merited it, and just saw everything in absolutes.

 

^^^^Actually, I read that Ki was given special permission to marry and have a family because the Cerean race was dying off.

 

I remember reading Mundi was the only knight on the council in my TPM visual dictionary as well.

Looks like we found another [OOP!] plot hole.

That's a pretty big one, too.

BTW, it doesn't matter whether he was only a knight on the council in TPM, because he was still a knight on the council.

Anakin was pretty upset. Do you think if Mundi had been a knight for a little while on the council he would have gotten so upset? no.

It's just a plot hole. 'Course, if you're JUST lookin at the movies... no plot hole. But when the databank and official stuff like the visual dictionary contradicts, that's not good.

 

That's not a plot hole.

Take martial arts for example. In this situation, it would be pretty much the same as being given the responsibilities that a black belt would have, only without being given the black belt criteria or even the black belt itself. That would be considered highly annoying and disrespectful to most people, regardless of how many other "revered masters" may have done it.

 

If he wasnt a master than he should be, the only one on the council who wasnt a master was anakin right?