Was Lucas subtely telling us that Obi-Wan was an alcoholic!

No, seriously! Think about it for a minute. We already know that Qui-Gon had a terrible gambling problem, not the best of teachers! (don't get me wrong, I have all the love in the world for him)
What is the first thing Obi and Qui do in TPM?
Share a drink. And don't tell me it was hot chocolate.
Then, after a lot of hanging out with Jar Jar, we see Obi in AOTC. In the middle of a very important chase, what does he do?
HE STOPS FOR A DRINK!
Not to mention sharing drinks with Dexter later on while chumming around.
With shear lack of time to drink in ROTS (but plenty going on in between the films in all the novelizations, I will find all the quotes eventually) we get to ANH. What does Obi do first thing in the cantina. He gets a drink. What does he do to try and calm down the Dr?
Let me get you something
He offers him a drink.
Lets face it, the Jedi life is not an easy one, and Obi dealt with the stress by drowning them down with a little Jawa Juice.
THE OLD DRUNK!

 

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1. Obi-wan is using himself as bait to lure out Zam.

2. Jawa Juice is most likely non alcholoic and he drank to be nice.

3. We never see him drink in ANH. He's too busy talking to Bo Shek and Chewbacca. He only offers to buy drinks for Ponda and Evanzian.

 

What makes you think that Jawa Juice is non-alcoholic? (No EU, please.)

Doesn't Obi-Wan have as mischievious way of telling Anakin that he's going to "get a drink"?

I think it's always been subtly there. Obi-Wan enjoys a drink.

 

Most likely Jawa Juice is the GFFA version of Orange Juice. Besides, he's needs his head clear if he is to solve the mystery and find the bounty hunter. As to that night in the club, he's trying to make it obvious that he's using himself as bait. Since they just discussed it several minutes ago, regarding Padme. Anakin, being too emotionally invested, doesn't pick up on it. The grin is his way of making it clear that he's going to put himself in harm's way. It worked once, it can work again. But because Anakin doesn't stop to think, he misses out and proves he's not ready to take the Trials.

 

Please! Obi-Wan is clearly familiar with the drink.
It's not like you go up to a bar and order ice water. What Obi-Wan got was definately an alcoholic beverage.
Jawa Juice IS an alcoholic beverage. The droid also knew it was what he wanted before even asking.
You want a cup of Jawa Juice? Oh yes, thank-you.
How is it that Obi-wan is so familiar with that retched hive of scum and villany?
Because he's down in the town each night drinking! Why else is his first stop the bar when he walks in?
Face it, the stresses of the jedi life have clearly gotten to him.

 

It's so obvious to the fans that going "to get a drink" in the outlander's club isn't just some glass of oj or something. He's going to get a drink! Why wouldn't Lucas use this angle? Obi-Wan is already in one of the most famous bar/cantina scenes in history.

And just for you Darth_Sinister, don't forget that business on Cato Nemoidia and Obi-Wan losing his rebreather!

He was still able to function in that situation...because of his experience intoxicated!

 

I was going to mention that...but then again that was unintentional on Obi's part. However, if I ever have the time, I could quote many lines from the prequel era books involving Obi and getting drinks. Maybe someone out there can help me out with this one?

 

1. Prove that Jawa Juice is alcohol. The serving droid asked probably because it was the drink of the day. This is like an ordinary diner. What's the first thing that's usually asked in a diner? Would you like a cup of coffee? Coffee does not exist for Lucas. So there was no asking for caf, like in the eu. Same with hot choclate. So what Lucas came up with was a drink that would found in a diner, early in the day.

2. Obi-wan has been to Mos Eisley because he'd need supplies. The only time we see him actually drink is in the eu, LOE and DL, but if you're going to use eu, then we must go with what's said in the AOTC Visual Directory regarding Jawa Juice. The gas was a poison designed to kill him. That's a different kind of toxication.

3. Ever heard of non-alcoholic drinks? We never see Obi-wan make his order.

 

Prove that it isn't. Prove that he ordered a non-alcoholic beverage in both the cantina scene and at the outlander's club. Are you a tea-toller, sidious? Is that the problem here?

 

Even if it were all alcohol, there's a difference between an Alcoholic and a person who occasionally has one glass, or even one glass per day. We certainly never see him drunk, for that matter.

 

In LOE he's "drunk" so to speak, and he's still able to handle it. Hmm...I wonder why that is...

 

He's only drunk because he and Anakin went to a number of bars/cantinas. The poison gas is not being drunk. And I thought we weren't using the eu?

 

Oh, I'll use the EU if it helps my argument, just like you.

 

Yes, in my mind Obi wan is a slight alcoholic and I could've told you taht from 1977's Star Wars. It's a little too convenient that he knows where that Cantina is etc.

 

Come on! Your argument doesn't hold up! People don't go into bars to order orange juice! Prove to me that Jawa Juice ISN'T alcoholic!
Obi is fond of the drink.
From Labyrinth of Evil:

Four hours later, half drunk and near frozen, they entered the final cantina....
Anakin speaking: Did you have an inkling that Zam Wessel would follow you?
On the contray. I knew she would follow you.
Obi-Wan placed a sizable credit chip under his empty glass and slid it forward. Another drink and the rest is for you.

 

From Wookieepedia, the Star Wars Wiki.
Jawa juice was likely an imported or slang term for Jawa beer.

 

It seems that on Tatooine, there aren't too many places to hang out to find a good source of information on happenings around the galaxy. You have smugglers coming in from all sorts of places to kick back and relax.

An obvious place to go for information.

They were trying NOT to stand out in ANH. Go to a local bar, and wander around for awhile looking at people before going up to the bar to order a drink. You will get noticed. Acting like someone that is there to get a "Jawa Juice" is a good way to fit in.

If you want to get into EU, Obi-Wan is at the Cantina in "Dark Lord: Rise of Darth Vader". He's on a desert planet and is pounding water because he is very thirsty.

At Dex's diner, I'm pretty sure he and dex are drinking The Star wars equivilent of Coffee. Go to your local greaseball diner and order a beer in the afternoon. That's right, most of them don't serve beer.

I'm not saying that Obi-wan is a saint and has never touched intoxicants, but he clearly is NOT an alcoholic.

Carnage

 

Come on! How can ANYONE try to make out Jawa Juice ISN`T alcoholic?!? Everyone knows it`s made of pulped Jawas which have been allowed to "ferment", thus rendering the substance alcoholic!

 

This is a sad thread. Give 'em and inch and they'll take a mile. Some SW fans are like that.

 

Seriously... mountain out of a molehill.

So even if Jawa juice is alchoholic, there's no real evidence that Obi-Wan ever overindulged at Dex's or the Cantina. There's one mention in an EU novel of getting drunk with Anakin, but who can blame the man? That's hardly evidence to alcoholism. If I drink every weekend, does that make me an alcoholic? I doubt very much that Obi-Wan is even drinking that often, there's no evidence.

 

I like Obi-Wan being alcoholic. It adds something to his personality.

 

darth-sinister, are you telling me that Jawa Juice isn't made from freshly-squeezed Jawas?

 

(Ahh,another excuse for me to repost my masterpiece ):


My Name Is Obi-Wan Kenobi And I Am An Alcoholic-Confestions Of A Jedi Knight


Here are a few excerps from Obi-Wan's new tell-all book:


- "I always new Palpatine was a Sith lord,I mean come on,it was so obvious.You would have to be an idiot not to see it.I informed the Jedi Council many times of this,but they always assumed ol'Obi-Wan had had a few too many and didn't know what he was saying."Sleep it off you must,Obi-Wan." Yoda would always say."

-"I got Yoda drunk once.Funniest thing I ever saw.He was able to stand straight up and walk without the use of his cain.He also spoke normaly (though he cussed like a smuggler),not that backwards dribble that you need a slide rule to figure out.I still couldn't get him to tell me what species he was though."

- "Midi-Chlorians were an idea I came up with after a long night of drinking.Yoda kept complaining about the younglings pestering him about how The Force worked."No no,there is no how!" Yoda would always tell them,but the kids were relentless.So I told Yoda to tell them that it worked through an organism in the Jedi's blood.He said that was the stupidest idea he ever heard of and that it would ruin the idea of The Force.He came around though when I told him we would say that he had the highest Midi-Chlorian count."

- "I have almost no memory of the Lightsaber duel with Darth Maul.I had gotten pretty toasted on the way to Naboo on the Queen's ship.I have no idea to this day how I beat him.I sure as hell don't remember agreeing to train Anakin.I couldn't stand that little punk."

- "After Qui-Gon was killed,Anakin was pretty upset,so I tried to cheer him up with booze and humor.I told him "Don't 'Qui' Anakin,he's 'Gon'.Here,have some 'Jinn'".He didn't think it was funny."

- "Although I criticized Anakin for always losing his Lightsaber,truth is I have woken up many times to find my Lightsaber,along with my Jedi robe and clothes,nowhere to be found."

- "From the time he was an infant,I was supposed to have been training Luke to be a Jedi.What happened was one night I asked Owen and Beru Lars if they could babysit little Luke while I went out bar hopping.The next morning I had absolutely no recollection what I had done with him.You should have seen me out in the desert yelling "Luke,Luke!".I bet Owen Lars was pretty p.o.ed at me for never showing up (I still can't remember,but I think that guy might have been my brother)".

- "I took the name 'Ben' Kenobi not because I was in hiding (after all,I still used my last name),but because I honestly couldn't remeber what my first name was for over 20 years.When I told Luke I hadn't heard the name Obi-Wan in a very long time,for once I was being honest with him."

- "I know Luke and the others had no idea,but I was drunk out of my mind the entire time we were on the Death Star.I mean,I just stood there and let Vader strike me down.What was I thinking?I was so wasted.And that whole "I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine" stuff,I was just talking out my ass.I was trying to trick Vader into letting me live."

- "Ghost can't get drunk,and I always found courage at the bottom of a bottle.Without booze,I'm a terrified little coward.So that time I told Luke I couldn't interfer if he chose to face Vader was a lie.I could have.In reality,Vader scared the crap out of me.I mean,with that mask and the heavy breathing and everthing-Come on,that dude was freaking scary!"

 

After Qui-Gon was killed,Anakin was pretty upset,so I tried to cheer him up with booze and humor.I told him "Don't 'Qui' Anakin,he's 'Gon'.Here,have some 'Jinn'".He didn't think it was funny."

Now that is just funny!

 

Was likely. They don't know for sure. Lucas never said what it was. That still doesn't mean that he's an alcholoic. The only time they got drunk was because they went to several bars, waiting to draw out information. That doesn't mean that he's an alcholoic.