Was Palpatine talking to Anakin thru the Force?

When he's waiting in the Council Chambers?

Or was he just remembering what Palpatine said, even though we don't see Palpatine say it on screen.

 

Well, it's been debated a lot in the Mace vs. Palpatine thread/monstrosity, but I think it's meant to be telepathy since these are NEW words being spoken to Anakin, not recycled from any of the previous scenes, and they seem to refer directly to the "arrest" of Palpatine that's just about to go down.

 

He was remembering it.

 

I don't think so, as these are not words previously spoken in the film.

 

Oh, i thought they were. My mistake.

 

Well, there are differing opinions on this topic. There certainly is a precident for communication through the force in the GFFA, though. And I think if Lucas wanted you to think that he was remembering a previous line, he would have used a previous line.

 

Anakin was ruminating. He was going over the most poignant comments that Palpidious had just made to him. There is nothing in the books that suggest that Palpidious is sending messages to Anakin telepathically. Just b/c we didn?t hear Pals make these comments earlier it doesn?t mean they didn?t happen. It was most likely a portion of the conversation that was edited out.

 

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Why didn't Lucas use previously spoken dialogue to make it clear to the audience then?
GL is not usually subtle.

And like I said, there are plenty of examples of Force communication in the films.

 

yes he was;as the sith felt darth vader in pain when his legs and arm was gone.
the sith is sronger and had that connection to feel vader close or skywalker as luke could not run from vader.Vader could feel luke;luke even tell's his sister the same thing.See we didn't see the all training that yuda tought luke.
I have never read any of the books.

 

connection? yes! No specifics, just feelings.

 

pl_roach explain this then:

Why didn't Lucas use previously spoken dialogue to make it clear to the audience then?
GL is not usually subtle.

And like I said, there are plenty of examples of Force communication in the films.

"Use the Force, Luke"
"Luke" "Father"
"Run, Luke, Run!"

 

It is possible it is some sort of communication, but voice over lines like that are used in other films to show someone remembering things said as they are going over what has happened and what they will do. But since the line is not spoken by Palpatine in any earlier scene, i am going to go with the talking through the force idea.

 

But since the line is not spoken by Palpatine in any earlier scene, i am going to go with the talking through the force idea.

Exactly what I'm thinking. (Obviously, from my previous posts...)

 

Interesting, I just thought that he was rememebering what Palps said before he left the office, we didn't see it, but it could have been said.
I like this idea too.

 

The problem is the line we hear when Anakin is thinking in the Jedi Council chambers is not a line that Palpatine ever says to him, which leads me to believe that it is some kind of force communication.

 

Point well taken, but he--GL--made it very clear that there was communication between two people...as was mentioned, Lucas isn't subtle. Vader would speak Luke would react and answer. And the force ghosts are a different situation. I'm not arguing telepathic communication I'm arguing the communication in one particular scene.

As far as answering your question: I don't think Lucas would expect the masses to dissect each scene as we do. Palps said similar thing during the conversation. Lucas probably felt it was close enough.

 

"And I think if Lucas wanted you to think that he was remembering a previous line, he would have used a previous line. "

I agree completely. If Lucas wanted you to think Anakin was remembering, he'd use a line that the audience remembered as well.

 

I just have this image of Palpatine skulking back and forth in his offic
with a cell phone up to his ear, saying, "can you hear me now?"

 

The padawan is right.

The great thing about the ruminations scene is that it looks like an uncharacteristically poetic scene for SW but it is actually very literal. For that moment Palps is talking to Anakin, and Anakin is reaching out to Padme. They are all linked together through Anakin in a real way.

 

Good point.

 

there are two possible explanations as i see it...

*it's telepathy
*the scene was meant to depict how palpatine is inside anakin's head.

both explanations work imo.

if it's telepathy, then it is not constructed like before (leia/luke and vader/luke). it's handeled more like a force ghost connection. that could of course indicate that it's not telepathy, but rather lucas showing us how palps is in anakin's head and manipulating him even when he's not around.

not sure what to believe myself.

 

Was Palpatine talking to Anakin thru the Force?

Yes.

 

again, many of you will agree Lucas is not sublte, if he wanted us to believe there was a conection he would have gone back n forth between Anakin and Palpidious.

Damn I'm going to retract this last statement...somewhat. There is a conection between Anakin and Palidious. IMO there has been a connection for years at this point. i.e. that little voice in the back of his head telling him to do the wrong thing, has been coming from Palpidious since Anakin was a PL. However I do not think Palpidious was reaching through the force and speaking, via "can you hear me now," to Anakin during the rumination scene.

IMO GL wanted us to know what Anakin was thinking...why? We don't know if Anakin is worried about the Jedi going to get Palps or if he is thinking about the destruction of Palps thus eliminating the only resource Anakin has found that may help save Padme. Adding the voice makes this very clear.

Recap on why Palps was not directly talking to Anakin during the Rumination scene:
1) Lucas would have made that obvious and the fact that I'm spending so much time arguing about means it wasn't exactly obvious and
2) Nothing was mentioned in the book

I think I'm officially "beating a dead horse." or maybe a dead Shaak!

Late!

P.S: There has to be a better argument than "we didn't hear Palps say this earlier."

 

The reason why some of us think that this scene is him ruminating is because of the Loudness of the spoken line. It sounds more like a memory dialogue than a telepathic message from Palpatine. If only GL had made it as loud as the lines from Obi-Wan when he was guiding Luke as a ghost. But the more times you see the movie the more you think he's being telepathically spoken to. Like the man said before me, there is a three way connection of feelings between Anakin, Padme and Palpatine. Anakin was reaching out to both of them, but Palpatine was the only one who could respond back.