PT Was Qui Gon Jinn the ideal Jedi?

I feel that in spite being a maverick like Jedi he's exactly what a Jedi should truly be especially in the PT because he's focused and more attuned to trusting the Force while the Jedi Order were embroiled with the Republic's political climate and even worse than that complacency.

Qui Gon is overlooked quite a bit throughout the SW fandom and i mostly mean everywhere not just on here, Is it a stretch to label Qui Gon the ideal Jedi as such? Are there better examples of Jedi in similar light that surpass Qui Gon this way?

 

he's so trusting of the force he has to manipulate a chance cube...

also I wouldn't say he was the ideal Jedi, because we never really got to know him. He died too early.

 

Trust the Force ≠ Never interfere. Qui-Gon acts on instinct, which is what a Jedi fully in tune with the Living Force does.

And yes, Qui-Gon is a true Jedi, through and through. Over the course of the saga, Yoda, Obi-Wan, Luke and Anakin all find their way (back) to true Jedi Knighthood.

 

lol ok

 

There is a TIE fighter emoji, in case you'd prefer that to typing "lol"

 

There's a reason why he's the one who teaches Yoda and Obi-Wan how to become Force Ghosts.

 

I like Qui Gonn - but that always bothered me...

Cheating at dice? -> A-Ok
Freeing a slave? ->. Nah, not here to do that - sorry Shmi

 

"I tried to free your mother, Anni, but Watto wouldn't have it."

 

- Any attempt to escape...
- ...and they blow you up! BOOM!

 

Qui Gon wasn't an infallible Jedi that's for sure but on the philosophical side he's head and shoulders above any of his era.

 

The guy that insisted on Anakin being trained, who wiped out the Jedi and murdered millions? Oof. But, but he brought balance!

 

You could also say that he was kind of selfish in that he was more concerned with his own personal Force journey than worrying about the Jedi Order and the Republic. Not that he ignored them but they were of secondary concern.

He could have been on the Jedi Council but decided he couldn't do what was needed to allow that to happen. He was a guy who might have chosen to not fight in the Clone Wars and therefore leave the Jedi Order entirely. As he said in TPM to the Queen he wasn't there to fight a war for her but to defend her (and explore the mystery of the Sith).

He had lots of great points in terms of being an ideal Jedi but he may have been the Jedi you wanted to be but maybe not the one you needed for that time. As he said Obi-Wan was a much wiser man in the sense of what the Jedi needed.

I could see a scenario where if Qui-Gon had not been killed then after 10 years of training Anakin he could have left the Jedi Order over the Clone Wars and Anakin ends up in the same scenario in ROTS.

True but if Anakin had made the right choice in ROTS to follow the Jedi way then he could have ended Sidious then but he was too greedy and selfish for power to do that.

 

I laughed.

 

Anakin would have been the one to bring balance to the Force by killing Sidious, but he chose poorly. At least the first time. Hey, what's a few decades, and billions of lives before finally making the right choice?

Though arguably Anakin wouldn't have been in the place where he chose Palpatine if Qui-Gon had been his Master, and not Obi-Wan. Qui-Gon would have been the father figure Anakin needed, and probably wouldn't have allowed Palpatine so much access to Anakin when Anakin was growing up. So what Qui-Gon saw was true...from a certain point of view.

 

I'm not sure that there's such a thing as an ideal Jedi, per se. Each Jedi has his/her own unique strengths and weaknesses, their own quirks, virtues and flaws - and things depend greatly on the circumstances they're in.

Qui-Gon was the Jedi best suited to discover Anakin and the Force Ghost teachings, but in other situations he may not have been.

Yes, there's a deliberate contrast between Qui-Gon, the Council and even Obi-Wan. And yes, Qui-Gon is an inspiring, valiant hero to be looked up to. But I'm just not sure if he was meant to be seen as an ideal Jedi. Not every Jedi can be a maverick in the same sense he was, not every Jedi can be Qui-Gon. And no one Jedi has it all figured out, no one Jedi is a panacea for all situations.

 

Yeah i see your point i think Qui Gon might have just been essential for being that ONE Jedi during End of the Republic Era who needed to establish a way for Force Ghost to be used in future otherwise no Jedi may have learned it in time or at all, Discovering Anakin was necessary by one Jedi who wouldn't leave him on Tatooine because of his age or his anger which is where Qui Gon fits in.

 

Qui-Gon would've been a better teacher for Anakin. It basically boils down to what Dave Filoni said when discussing Duel of the Fates in a Directors roundtable. Qui-Gon would be more prepared to teach and also be a surrogate father for Anakin. Those two things would make it much trickier for Anakin to fall. Obi-Wan was more dogmatic and rule-following than Qui-Gon, and was strict sometimes when teaching Anakin. Obi-Wan was kind of a father to Anakin before Anakin was knighted, but not a compassionate one most of the time.

Qui-Gon is one of the closer things to an ideal Jedi, I suppose. He's more flexible than most.

 

Time to dust off an oldie. Well, it's an oldie where I come from.

 

He's a bit dull , I have to say.

 

I love Quigon.

But ideal?

He did put an awful lot of faith in a prophecy (when Jedi are supposed to be weary of knowledge of the future), dumping Obiwan as a padawan a soon as they say he can’t have two, and then proceeds to bring a little boy to a planet in the middle of a war (not to mention encouraging that he participates in a deadly sport).

 

I think the entire point of the PT is that none of the Jedi we see are the ideal Jedi. They've all got flaws.

 

Interesting, I think I agree with that.

 

Many Jedi would have done the same thing as Qui Gon in taking a chance on Anakin. Reckless is a proper description, but at the same time you are believing in something that was meant for good, to destroy and eliminate the Sith (until a cackle across the universe 31 years later).
I love Qui Gon and had he lived, would've left the Jedi Order before the war and most likely started a new religion. Maybe he would even got Dooku to join him.

 

Qui-Gon was cool, but not "ideal" in-universe because he was a maverick. Maybe out-of-universe, sure, he's ideal for some modern senisbilities. He's kind of a ronin type, or maybe like the MCU's version of Iron Man (I was going to say Batman but no, he's not quite Batman).