Was the chosen one supposed to be the most powerful?

The prophecy is believed that a Jedi born from the force will bring balance to it. However the idea that he would be all powerful is questionable. For one, it's hinted that the chosen one would be powerful since he had more midichlorians than Yoda.

We all know Anakin was pretty tough Jedi and quite impressive at that, but let's be frank here..

He was bested by Dooku once, beaten by Obiwan and if you take the EU into context, that apprentice, Starkiller EASILY bested him.

So to my belief the Chosen one was only meant to bring balance, but he would not be the most powerful.

Thoughts?

 

I agree.

And I think if Anakin had never been told that he was the "chosen one," he would not have had nearly so many problems.

I'd go as far to say that his arrogance/overconfidence made him less powerful.

 

Anakin thought he was the best. He really wasn't, and paid the price.

 

We all know Anakin was pretty tough Jedi and quite impressive at that, but let's be frank here..

He was bested by Dooku once, beaten by Obiwan and if you take the EU into context, that apprentice, Starkiller EASILY bested him.

So to my belief the Chosen one was only meant to bring balance, but he would not be the most powerful.

Thoughts?



Is that how you judge someone's strength within the Force? By their skills with a lightsaber? Force?

 

being fancy with a lightsabre and tossing things with your mind had zilch to do with his destiny. Which, you know, entailed killing the most evil man of all time and brought freedom to the galaxy and balance to the Force.

But that's not powerful or anything because it's not !flashy!

 

Would you say otherwise?

Just because you killed the most evil man in the galaxy, doesn't mean you are the most powerful.

 

Palpatine has been flat-out stated to be the most powerful Sith Lord of all time, both in- and out-of-universe (and given that no in-universe source can overrule an out-of-universe one, it means Palpatine canonically outranks all other Sith Lords in terms of power), and the ROTS novel states Yoda is the most powerful Jedi of all time up to that point.

And as Palpatine tells Yoda, "Lord Vader will become more powerful than either of us."

Admittedly, Mustafar sort of ruined Vader's chances of reaching Anakin's full potential, but that does sort of basically tell you that Anakin at one point had the potential to become more powerful than the most powerful Sith Lord and Jedi Master up until that point in the mythos.

 

Now that makes sense.

So he could've, but couldn't..

 

Given the confusion among Yoda, Obi-Wan & Mace about the prophecy of the Chosen One, I don't think any specifics about what he/her was meant to be like can be firmly deduced from the very little we know about the prophecy.

Certainly it's implied that Anakin/Vader would have been the most powerful Jedi or Sith of all time if he completed the training of either way, but the Duel put the kibosh on him ever coming close to his full potential. Perhaps that was the point, & was always destined to happen.

It's also suggested that Luke, the offspring of the Chosen One, was more powerful than Vader in ROTJ - he beat him, after all. Put that in your pipe & smoke it.

 

In the RoTS Novel, Mace Windu says Anakin is arguably the most powerful Jedi alive, and still getting stronger. Had he not been ruined, he would have been a Demigod in the Force. Much as Luke was in the EU, Luke and Leia have Anakin's potential (Need Lucas quote for that, but I'm sure someone can find it), they can become what Anakin WOULD have been had he not fallen for Palps' lies and manipulations.

 

Nope.

Darth Sidious is officially the strongest Sith.

 

1) Anakin's overconfidence and resentment towards Obi-Wan's traning methods & attitude was a mental stumbling block for him to overcome to reach his potential. Given the nature of his birth, he was probably the most powerful overall but then becoming half-machine really stunted his chances at reaching that potential as well.

2) If the Jedi Order had become stagnant in both attitude, belief, and training, and the dark side was growing in influence, then Anankin's actions causing the downfall of the Order, the rise of the dark side, and the fall of such thus allowing his son to restore a new Order....isn't that restoring the balance?

But one has to ask was Anakin really the Chosen One or was Luke?

 

Interestingly, the description of Anakin's power becomes noticeably less hyperbolic as the story advances to its conclusion. Eventually Anakin is described merely as "one of our most powerful Jedi" or words to that effect.

 

Would you say otherwise?


Yes, I would. I believe that being powerful with the Force isn't all about brute strength or one's skills with the lightsaber. It goes deeper than that, especially in regard to one's understanding of an individual's nature and learning self-awareness.



1) Anakin's overconfidence and resentment towards Obi-Wan's traning methods & attitude was a mental stumbling block for him to overcome to reach his potential. Given the nature of his birth, he was probably the most powerful overall but then becoming half-machine really stunted his chances at reaching that potential as well.

2) If the Jedi Order had become stagnant in both attitude, belief, and training, and the dark side was growing in influence, then Anankin's actions causing the downfall of the Order, the rise of the dark side, and the fall of such thus allowing his son to restore a new Order....isn't that restoring the balance?

But one has to ask was Anakin really the Chosen One or was Luke?



Anakin. It was Anakin's actions on Bespin that convinced Luke that there was still some good within his father. For me, being the Chosen One is about maintaining balance within one self. It was a battle that Anakin fought throughout the entire saga, until he finally found some resolution in his actions regarding both Luke and Palpatine.

 

I agree with the above. Anakin was the one with the power to "put the Force into balance" (as has been debated a ton already), and Luke was just one of the role players in the overall saga.

 

I don't believe being the chosen one would necessarily make Anakin the most powerful. The most influential perhaps, but that's not necessarily the same thing. I've always found it interesting that despite everything that's done in SW using the force, Vader's destiny-fulfilling act is, as far as I'm aware, not a "force power" act at all. It's a combination of the strength of his will and his bench pressing ability.

Having said that, the films suggest that he probably had the most potential power. Midichlorian count, Sidious' comments to Yoda etc create that impression, without saying it specifically.

 

I also don't think that being the chosen one necessarily meant that Anakin was supposed to be the most powerful Force user ever. The prophecy simply says that the chosen one will bring balance to the Force, and we are shown/told that he accomplishes this finally by destroying the Sith (killing Palpatine and dying in the process)... which as stated above was an act of will power and physical strength more than use of the Force. That is interesting given the high level of Force power that Vader had mastered over the years, even if his lightsaber skills weren't what they once were. It is true that his injuries limited his abilities with a lightsaber, but I think it is possible that he developed his other Force powers to a point that could have rivaled what he would have mastered anyway without those injuries. The movies telling us about his higher midichlorian count seem to support that too, if indeed a stronger connection with the Force means being a more powerful Force user.

But the movies still seem to show that Palpatine is the strongest Force user ever, and Yoda the second. The question there is whether that would have always been the case or if Vader's injuries did prevent him from surpassing them... and what role his midichlorian count played. And of course, the irony there is that Palpatine tells Yoda that Anakin/Vader will become more powerful than either of them (maybe said just to get inside Yoda's head more)... but whether Palpatine himself actually believes in the prophecy or thinks Anakin is the chosen one seems doubtful; he just saw huge potential in Anakin, and he enjoyed turning the Jedis' own chosen one against them.

 

That guy who "overpowered" Palpatine wasn't too bad.

 

Nope. He ended up 80% of Sidious.

If he did not get injured he may have been 200% of Sidious, but then Sidious' aunt would have balls and never would have let him out of the house and Anakin would never have been discovered.

 

OK, what?! "Sidious' aunt"? Shmi?

 

Interesting question!

Frankly, I find the discussion of the relative "power rankings" of the various Jedi and Sith a bit tiresome - no offense! - even though it is understandable. And I think that, for some folks, it comes to skew their viewing experience. Every conflict is seen as a comparison of relative power rankings, and (especially for the Jedi characters) any setback or defeat in combat is seen as a repudiation or failure of character. I don't see it that way - the "strongest" combatant doesn't always win, and even trying to define "strongest" can be tricky. For example, it seems to me that Darth Maul's arrogance cost him his lfe in his fight with ObiWan, but Darth Maul's arrogance is an inherent part of who he IS, so you should factor that in as well when evaluating his "strengths" - and weaknesses!

As I read it, The Chosen One was destined to bring balance to the Force. He ultimately accomplished that by throwing Palpatine down one of those handy unshielded miles-deep pits that seem to pepper the SW universe ;-) Was he "stronger than Palpatine" at that point? I doubt it - Luke had just defeated him, in their battle. So I don't think the Chosen One's primary attribute was meant to be overwhelming force, or even being best attuned TO the Force. I think (IMHO) it meant he was destined to take the action that would bring things into proper alignment, restore the proper balance. If that took great strength, so be it, but I don't think the Chosen One would necessarily be the "strongest" one...

 

"Chosen One" can have a few or more implied and express meanings and realities.

Anakin possesses the means within him to bring balance to the force.

Palpatine is one half of the same coin that is an unbalanced force.

Anakin as we know bests Palpatine as a "ruined" 80% of Sidious style machine man rather than the more or less complete (right arm missing) Jedi.

When Palpatine finally reveals who he is,Anakin does react with a lightsaber and then is quite cautious.

Palps asking "Are you going to kill me?" is laced with double meaning IMO and I say that as Palps knows that if Anakin does attempt to attack him Palps can light his hidden saber and finally see what Anakin can really do (The Dooku duel on the Invisible Hand was a penultimate test).

Anakin was powerful,even if you look at how he manages to hold off Dooku in AOTC certainly much longer in lightsaber combat than Obi-Wan did points to him having great potential even in early years and then by ROTS he is more so.

The Jedi mis-handling of Anakin is what enabled a large % of the manipulation Palps brings in with his connection with Anakin and the rest is Anakin not thinking clearly enough on it to overcome the BS and see what was going on.

So,chosen one or not he is not infallible and even in his 'ruined' state he was able to end Palpatine without his son actually going down the dark path.

Luke is the catalyst for Vader to return to being Anakin as Padme was the catalyst for the reverse in the PT.

It was Anakin's place to depose Palpatine whether he'd have remained a Jedi or turned to Sith.

Power is merely a by-product of the destiny he had to fulfil.

 

Well in other storys, the chosen one could be weak and arrogant, or fat and clumsy, like in "year one" ie Jack Black.
But the chosen one is meant for something whether or not they are the best for the job. In this case bring balance to the "Force".

The "Force" or good/evil, ying/yang, needs to be balanced, that means the dark side and "jedi" side must be equal,
so Skywalker was meant to bring good and evil to an equal level, to do this, you must have some kind of power or abilitys, whether or not your #1.

Just because you have the potential doesn't mean you have the power, Yoda was what over 800 years older than Anakin, Yoda, even though 50x more training and meditation, he had reached his max by the end of the ROTS,.He had the ability to defeat him, because Anakin had not reached his full potential, and I don't think he ever did.

So Darth Vadar in his full potential against anyone, he would probably win, but at his young padawan age, he was quite dispensable even by Obi Wan. To me it seemed like he only grew stronger, and stronger.

Anyways, so in a way I think he was all powerful or had the potential to be all powerful, but his ability's(midichlorian levels) and his birth, I think, were reasons to believe he was the chosen one!
But YES! the chosen one has to be one of the most powerful jedi/sith, to for fill his destiny!

My question " what was Luke Skywalkers, midichlorians levels???"