We have seen Syfo-Dyas and we did not even know it!

Ok everyone remember how PH said that the person who erased the files was seen on screen in Ep2? Then we all came to the conclusion that Syfo-Dyas was the one who erased the files, but who is Syfo-Dyas? It is not Palp/Sidious, it is not Count Dooku, and it is not Qui-Gon. Go take another look at the scene in Ep2 where Obi-Wan is walking into the room with Yoda and the Younglings, Do you see that big gold statue of a guy making a ball of some sort float, Hmmmm Why show this 3-4 second scene with Obi Wan walking into the room, because that statue is Syfo-Dyas, not to mention that the guy looks like a Syfo-Days, but he was seen on screen in AOTC.


I strongly believe that this is Mr. Dyas himself.

 

I am afraid we still don't know it. It was said that the person who erased the Kamino recors was seen on screen, which leads me to think we saw the actual culprit, not a statue of him.

Whether or not he is Sifo-Dyas remains to be seen.

 

what makes you think its him?

 

I think it is him because they show a 2 secound scene of Obi-Wan walking down a hall, Now GL is all abought get to the story in his movies. This has to be a clue...Untill I have proof that this is not him I will belive that the statue is Syfo-Dyas.

 

I think that statue is Qui-Gon and I think Qui-Gon erased the files. The guy was at odds with the council,
as was his master, Dooku. That " dont be so sure my young friend " line in the holding chamber is VERY intriguing.

 

Not baaaad, not baaaad...

Who else have we seen levitating a ball like that...?

Naaah, there can't be any link between that guy and Anakin Skywalker, can there...?


I can't say, "Like father, like son," because no sperm cell was involved in Anakin's conception - right...?

So Anakin doesn't 'really' have a... father...


...right...?

 

Im sorry, Darth Skywalker, the statue im refering to is the one in the archive chamber that Obi is looking at, not one of the two statues near the younglings room. So let me rephrase my idea. The statue in the archive chamber is Qui-Gon, Qui-Gon erased the files before he dies in TPM at the request of the recently departed, but at the time still respected, Dooku - who was the hard-headed master of Qui-Gon. Both of whom by the way dont see eye to eye with the Council - So it wouldnt be a stretch to imagine that Dooku may have been able to influence Qui-Gon with some BS story to erase the files that he needed erased - its obvious that the sorrow in Dookus' voice is genuine, so we can assume that they cared deeply for each other. If you like the sound of all that then it wouldnt be a stretch to entertain the idea that upon learning of Syphos' death Dooku contacts Qui-Gonn in a " how have you been " kind of way and then uses Qui-Gonns respect for him to his advantage.

P.S. : I think the statues outside where the younglings are training are legendary Jedi's of yore.

 

The statue in the archives was Dooku, actually. There was a cut scene about it.

 

Ok I am not talking abought the statue in the archives, I am talking abought the Gold statue that Obi-Wan walk's by while going into the Youngling training room.

 

I always assumed that the statue -Darth-Skywalker- is referring to was simply a nod to Alec Guinness, if you use the zoom feature on your DVD player you?ll notice he looks just like him. Also the statue?s pose is that of a stage actor, which Mr Guinness was, of some repute.

 

all we know right now is that master sifo-dyas is the dude with the long neck.........................................

 

The statue in the archive room is definitely Dooku--a former Jedi Master--and it is explained in one of the cut scenes.

As for the Sifo-Dyas debate, I originally thought it was Palpatine who placed the order for the army and simply used the name of the dead Jedi Master, so as to eliminate any sort of paper trail.

I do not believe that Qui-Gon or even Dooku are Sifo-Dyas, because they would be recognized by other members of the Jedi Council. Granted, the death of Sifo-Dyas and Dooku's departure from the Jedi Order fall suspiciously close to each other, but I think that's a red herring. Palpatine is the only person I'm convinced of that has enough power and control of the force to literally blind others to his true self (this is a theory of mine, not a spoiler by any means).

And I don't think the gold statue is Sifo-Dyas, because if he was that prominent of a figure, Obi-Wan would have known--definitively--about his life and death. When he says, "They say a Master Sifo-Dyas placed the order for a clone army at the request of the Senate almost ten years ago. I was under the impression he was killed before that", it makes me think that Sifo-Dyas was simply one of the Jedi Council members that perished years ago, and that's all.

So now I'm back to my original theory (not that I'm claiming I'm the first one to come up with this or anything):

-Palpatine/Sidious had something to do with Dooku leaving the Jedi Order, they got together and formed this scheme--each of them controlling different sides of the opposition, Sidious ordered the army using Sifo-Dyas' name simply because he died right around that time, Dooku fronted the money for the Clone army (being a Count implies that he is VERY wealthy, and I believe that is confirmed in some EU material) and chose Jango as the clone model under the Sith name of Darth Tyranus.

Thus, we see Sifo-Dyas on screen (as Palpatine/Sidious). So, Palpatine/Sidious is Sifo-Dyas...from a certain point of view.

That's the theory I'm going with. Flame away...

 

I'm pretty sure that the person who erased the files was Dooku. He's the only one who would have access to the room as a Jedi.

 

It is not necessarily Sifo-Dyas who erased the files. Anakin also has access to the Jedi archives. It could very well have been he who erased the files, probably at the instruction of Palpatine. It is implied that between TPM and AotC, Anakin and Palpatine have spent a good deal of time together and have formed a special bond.

 

Jocasta Nu did it.

 

The only way Sifo-Dyas was in AOTC is if there was a scene with an open coffin.

 

I never watched the commentary for AotC, but it does look like Dooku in the archives. But isnt it possible that the scene explaining it as Dooku was cut because it really doesnt make sense to honor a Jedi who left the order with a bust? It plays alot better if only dead Jedi were honored with a bust in the archive - thats why I always assumed it was Qui-Gon. As for the Jedi statues in the entrance hall - Im sure some EU pulp writer is already thinking of their tales. They are obviously Jedi of extreme importance ( founders of the order perhaps? ). Im sure we will see those statues fall next spring. As for Sypho-Dyas, Ill have to rethink my whole theory on him, given the new data you have enlightened me with ( although my theory is still sound even with that bust being Dooku ) . But the forshadowing cant be denied - whoever Kenobi's looking at in the archives is the Jedi who erased the file.

 

Ok I know that in the archives the statue is Dooku, But the reason of this thread is to find out if the Gold statue is Syfo-Dyas.

 

Great thread!

Can someone post a still shot of that statue?

 

No, definetly not. That statue is monstrous and the first thing you see when you walk into the place, so its probably the founder or co-founder ( theres 2 statues ) of the Jedi order. I dont think a Jedi that as recent as 10 years gone - even if he died in bravely in battle - would merit such a statue. I think we are going to get a better look at them in Ep3, so maybe we'll get a little back story, too.

 

If the statue was, then Obi-Wan would've known who the Kaminoans were referring to when they said "Sifo-Dyas" the first time. And he wouldn't have been unsure as to the time of Sifo-Dyas's death if there was a massive statue of him.

 

Obi-Wan did know about Sifo-Dyas and his 'death', watch AOTC, he never says "A Master Sifo-Dyas," it's "Master Sifo-Dyas" Obi-Wan knows full well who he is as Sifo was a leading member of the Jedi Order. Who doesn't know a leading Member? Obi-Wan is also quite aware of Dyas dying, so his death was probably a huge blow to the Jedi. As to how or if Sifo faked his death for the greater scheme of things, we'll just have to wait and see how things play out.

 

No, that's not exactly right.

Obi-Wan says,
"They say 'A' Master Sifo-Dyas. ."

But this is the one scene that was not re-shot after Lucas changed if from Sido-Dias.
Just look at Obi's beard in those scene's carefully.

 

Wow, D. Skywalker, you werent kidding, this is a new low for you....

 

Thanks man.