Were Agen Kolar, Kit Fisto, and Saesee Tiin Unwittingly Led To Their Deaths?

I'm almost certain Mace also had a paradoxical plan in mind, when going to kill chancellor Palpatine, under the pretence of arresting him. When Mace confronts Palpatine, there are only two choices at hand. One, kill him. Two, arrest him. Now Mace, being the smart Jedi he is, knows that arresting Palpatine is a totally moot point. He controls the senate, and will get off scott free, just like the Nemodians.

Therefore the only viable alternative is to kill him, except there's a major obstacle here. The Jedi have no evidence that Palpatine is a Sith, so killing him would ostracize the Jedi, as their actions would be considered treasonous. So Mace it appears, is in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. However I posit he comes up with a way to both kill Palpatine, while simultaneously wiping the Jedi's hands clean of any wrong doing. I believe he intends on using Agen Kolar, Kit Fisto, and Saesee Tiin as sacrificial lambs when going to supposedly "arrest" Palpatine.

Mace knows that Palpatine is an extremly powerful Sith Lord, and there is no way in hades he's going down without a fight-and in the process, will kill some, if not all of Mace's posse. Mace can then legally kill Palpatine, by using the dead Jedi as justification for his actions before the senate. When you think about it, it's the only way it could have been done, and Mace knew it as well. Palpatine must be stopped at ANY cost, and the Jedi order must also be protected and there's only ONE way to do both. R.I.P. Agen Kolar, Kit Fisto, and Saesee Tinn.

 

I believe that everyone in ROTS was led to their death. They were decieved by a lie.

 

No evidence? psshhhawww I say.

Hmm, He was quoted as saying he learned everything about the force, especially the dark side. He wields a red light saber, and then he proceeds to kill off three Jedi in the blink of an eye. Pretty Sithy behaviour by any standard.

The Jedi executing him wouldn't have been questioned in a second if the Senate were made aware of the situation but there simply wasn't time to sort things out before Palps rammed all that propaganda down their throats.

To me I don't think the Jedi took their task seriously. They probably thought their gang of four masters was more than Sids could ever handle. It's most likely why Agen Kolar was staring off counting cieling tiles when the saber came for him and why the other two didn't do such a hot job of defending themselves.

 

I think Mace and the other jedi for that matter were thinking kill him and explain later, as the courts take forever to decode something. At least chop off his arms to disable him a bit.

 

I'd have just had a couple of clone ships bomb the bejeezus out of the entire top 4 floors of the building and not take any chances of anyone good getting hurt.

This "Let's walk in there and do it old school cowboy style." BS is so overrated.

 

I think he knows that he has to at least try to arrest him, but realises that there's only one satisfactory solution available and that's to kill him.

 

Achilles, have you read Shatterpoint? Mace considers that very approach, and what effect it would have had if used to prevent the Battle of Geonosis. His response explains why he rode in with the posse instead.

Personally, I think that if Mace were to sacrifice Jedi to the case against Sidious, he wouldn't have picked Jedi that were as important as Kit Fisto, Agen Kolar and Saesee Tiin (While background characters, they were recognizable from the first two episodes). I'm guessing he was overconfident.

And Agen went out like the punk of the world.

 

Hmmm. I think this is a likely possibility. Makes sense, I suppose. But it is breaking the Jedi Code... but perhaps the only way to do it. But then again it makes three Jedi Masters look totally weak even under Windu's eyes.

 

Mace knows that Palpatine is an extremly powerful Sith Lord, and there is no way in hades he's going down without a fight-and in the process, will kill some, if not all of Mace's posse. Mace can then legally kill Palpatine, by using the dead Jedi as justification for his actions before the senate. When you think about it, it's the only way it could have been done, and Mace knew it as well.


Dude, you have got some seriously twisted views of what you saw onscreen. Yeah , Mace took a few Jedi with him as sacrificial lambs. right. . you are trying too hard to convince people that The Jedi are Evil, every thread of yours is like this . Mace went with other Jedi Because Palpatine is presumed powerful and dangerous., that is correct, but using Jedi to justify killing Palpatine is just nuts.

 

Mace seemed to have it planned out to arrest him at first. I think he came to the conclusion that palpy had to be executed by the time Anakin arrived. Mace's dialogue in that scene has him changing his view points if this makes any sense at all.

 

And before anyone brings up the "Well Mace was clearly trying to arrest Palpatine when Anakin walked in" argument, I have an advanced defense for that. Once Mace saw Anakin, he had disarmed Sidious, and if he were to then go ahead and kill Sids, it would violate the Jedi Code. Also it could possibly discredit his already legally good case for killing Palps. Thus he quickly reverts back to arrest mode for show, but is cognizant Palps still won't give up. Once he resists he can then go ahead and carry out his original plans for killing him, while covering his legal behind at the same time. Unfortunately his plan gets a tad derailed when Anakin whacks his arm off, and then Sidious blasts him off like a comet over the corusant backdrop.

 

Thus he quickly reverts back to arrest mode

Arrest mode!, you have got to be kidding , i guess we just saw different movies. but i just don't understand how you can have such a twisted view of this subject . Jedi are not Evil, Mace did not sacrifice Jedi, and they have authority to defend themselves from Palpatine, and the arrest was Legal, because Palpatine confesssed to Anakin. anything else is twisted and slanted towards your Evil Jedi bias,

 

Have all of you forgotten that Kit, Agen, and Saesee were already going with Mace to report of Obi-Wan's success at Utapau when Anakin runs in with the truth? You see them right beside a gunship that takes them to his office when Anakin runs in? Mace said something like,

"Skywalker? We were just about to go inform the Chancellor of the defeat of Grievous on Utapau and make sure he gives up his emergency powers."

So, after Mace learns the truth, then his accomplices instead will help him with the arrest.

 

When have I ever said the Jedi were Evil? All I said was that they did some THINGS that were evil or Sith-esque in the film, not that they were evil themeselves. And yes, this is a twisted thread, but you have to admit, it does make sense...from a certain point of view.

 

From my point of view, Mace's actions were completely justified and not evil...

 

You are absolutley correct TYRANTUS, but they see what they want to see.

 

Have all of you forgotten that Kit, Agen, and Saesee were already going with Mace to report of Obi-Wan's success at Utapau when Anakin runs in with the truth? You see them right beside a gunship that takes them to his office when Anakin runs in? Mace said something like

Upon hearing from Anakin that Palpatine is the Sith Master, I posit he made the quick decision to use his posse as fall guys for the sake of the republic. You've got to keep in mind whats a stake here...everything. If Palpatine is allowed to endure, all is lost. As Spock said "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few...or the one."

 

I would have believed that more if the Jedi he took didn't have last names!!!! Like star trek with their ensigns, like ensign steve....hahhaha

those without last names always die.

 

Yeah I agree, Spock should have gone with them to arrest Palps.

His logic is undeniable.

 

I don't believe Mace would do such a thing as to use his fellow Jedi as fodder. These Jedi were more than simple masters to him, they were his comrades after all! He'd never gamble their lives to use as a reasonto kill or arrest Palpatine. To be honest, I'm tired of all these threads making Mace out to be the enemy, as he's not. He's human, just like the rest of us, and acted out for his love of the Republic for which he served.

 

Had Mace's plan worked, I can guarantee Agen Kolar, Kit Fisto, and Saesee Tinn's force-ghosts would have come back and given him a very big thumbs up for his decision.

 

Seriously how many times are we going to see the same thread over and over with a different title and slightly different content. Every post has been how Mace and the Jedi are wrong and Palps was right. I'm not going to post the same evidence in favor of the Jedi for like the 5th straight thread. Just go read the Palps was right when he said, or what if the Jedi managed to arrest Sidious. This thread is going to just become another one of those.

"I'd have just had a couple of clone ships bomb the bejeezus out of the entire top 4 floors of the building and not take any chances of anyone good getting hurt.

This "Let's walk in there and do it old school cowboy style." BS is so overrated."

Because they really did want to arrest him, and I'm sure innocent people would have died in the bombing. Plus the clones might not have followed the orders as well as that would look very bad (as well as being wrong); just killing him without even trying to arrest him.

And Kit Fisto did a good job. He died like a man, on the attack. And not only would his force ghost have given a thumbs up, but he would have been grinning all the way too.

 

Seriously how many times are we going to see the same thread over and over with a different title and slightly different content. Every post has been how Mace and the Jedi are wrong and Palps was right.

Bravo, you are right. Darth_Fruitfly hates the Jedi, and wants sooo badly to prove that they have dishonest intentions.very twisted indeed.

 

Well why they're people who continue to believe just because Mace is a jedi they can do anything, I am willing to bet there will be plenty of these threads.

So far all the evidence you guys give in favor of the jedi is

A.Palpatine's a Sith-so the jedi are jedi, do you really think the senate will believe hes evil because the jedi say so? The same jedi that many believe are responsible for the war?

B.Oh wait thats about all you guys got.

C.Mace was not legal in his arrest, all he had was some very bad circumstantial evidence, he had no witness(they were all dead i.e Dooku) and they had no presidence for arresting him. You guys really think that they should of acted then? Mace was the one who costed the jedi there lives!!!Maybe he didn't expect Palpatine to kill the jedi masters and him, but thats irrelivent, he left the jedi temple DEFENSELESS, with maybe one master to defend against the Chosen One.

D. You guys say Mace knows all these things going on in the backround, like how hes gonna do what to the senate, blah blah blah, but HE COULDN'T EVEN SEE ANAKIN TURN INFRONT OF HIS EYES.

F.Mace is an idiot.

Well i went through your evidence(A) and why things played out the way they did...its quite simple Mace was a heroic masterful IDIOT.

 

"Palpatines the Sith Lord we've been looking for." ~Anakin



He does know he is a Sith Lord.