were the CIS driods programed to be aware of Order 66?

Just watched the order 66 sequence the other day and noticed something. On mygeeto, Ki-Adi goes down only be clone fire in the middle of a heated battle. On Felucia, Secura goes down only to clone fire while CIS droid do not move or fire. When Allie goes down it is seemingly at the end of a battle. When Cody attempts to kill obiwan it is also in the middle of battle, quickly ask a clone using the tank to fire immediatly. Only on Kashyyyk did battle continue when order 66 came down. But maybe since Yoda was away from battle that it wouldn't register for the CIS. Do you think they were programmed to stop shooting when order 66 came down or that they were programed to focus their weapons elsewhere so the clone could concrete on destroying the jedi?

 

I guess its possible, but that would kind of be hard for the droids to jusdge when that order happened. Unless Palps sent them a message too.

 

I think it's certainly a possibility. It'd be a lot easier to transmit a signal to the droids to stop fighting than to the clones.

 

Probably not but weren't the driods already attacking the Jedi as their enemies in the first place?

 

Absolutely not!

Let's think about this, guys...

The separatists knew and worked with Sidious. They did not think that they knew or worked with Palpatine. To know of order 66 ahead of time would be to know that Sidious was Palpatine. The separatists (other than Count Dooku) clearly did NOT know that. Grievous didn't know that he had captured Sidious when he captured Palpatine. Nute Gunray did not know that Palpatine was Sidious. Just one piece of evidence of that, for example, is when he says (to Grievous), "Chancellor Palpatine managed to escape your grip."

Further, there's no way he'd let Separatist battle droids know that critical information when he wishes to hide his true intentions from the separatist leaders. Remember tha he planned to eliminate them all along. The droids were not involved in order 66 and would have no tactical reason to know anything about it. If the separatist leaders knew that Sidious was Palpatine and was in control of the clone forces which were destroying their droid armies, they would have stopped working with him. Sidious wouldn't be stupid enough to tell their droids about it, especially when (again) they had NO REASON to know about it.

Palpatine's master plan was to eliminate EVERYONE who could oppose him, including Jedi knights and a powerful separatist army. He was not going to let one of those groups know anything about his ultimate secret plans to kill both groups off.

Cleverly, Palpatine kept all that imformation from them and proceeded to eliminate the Jedi by order 66, and then the separatists through Darth Vader.

 

The battle on Mygetto continued, as it did on all the other planets. However, the battle was almost over on Utapau, when Order 66 was given. Aayla and Barriss Offee were looking for the Battle Droids, when the attack came. Stass was on her way to where the battle had moved to, when she was killed. Same with Plo. Vos and Luminara were both watching the fight when they were attacked.

I've concluded that they didn't know. If anything, the Separatist Council might've started backing off once word came in of Order 66.

 

I agree. No way. In addition to the reasons you have already stated, I'm guessing that Republic Intelligence was probably grabbing the programming cores of destroyed battle droids to see what the CIS had programmed into them as far as independant actions, general battle algorithms, main objecties, etc. All it would have taken is for one slicer to look at the "Stop shooting when the Clones start killing the Jedi." command and everything would have been done. Clones were safe with the information, as a dead clone isn't going to reveal anything. A shut down droid could reveal a lot.

Carnage

 

What he said

IMO the battles continued and the seps were contacted by Sidious who tells Gunray his master plans has worked, he has taken over the Republic and he will offer the Seps peace.

Hence the line when Gunray is being struck down about Lord Sidious promising them peace.

They certainly didn't know of the Order 66 plan in advance. Only Dooku did and he was planning on leaving the Seps anyway.

 

Do you think they were programmed to stop shooting when order 66 came down or that they were programed to focus their weapons elsewhere so the clone could concrete on destroying the jedi?

Nope. Programming in the droids could be discovered if a readout was taken, while in the human clones it couldnt or would be much much harder to.

 

Off question here - and it is something that I should maybe take to the Literature forum, but it doesn't deserve it's own thread and is related here.

It occurs to me that clones can be aware of Order 66 and to NEVER EVER EVER tell ANYONE about it. They follow all orders perfectly.

What about ARC's? They can think for themselves a bit more. If it came down to say...torture....and they could stay alive by blabbing about Order 66, would they? In that case, were any ARC's "In the know" as far as Order 66?

Carnage

 

Clearly you dont read star wars republic. Alpha was tourtured for what, four weeks? Not a word. Weather they knew or not is a different issue. In Dark Lord, the commando with Shryne knew, but he wasn't exactly an ARC. Plus he decided not to belive it. Plus I think ARCs would be very good Jedi killers, so I don't see why they wouldn't be aware of order 66. Though... they got closer to the jedi than other troopers, so maybe they werent programmed for that reason. Anyone got a clear answer?

 

I forgot about Republic. For that matter, I forgot about Dark Lord. Still, torture isn't the only way. Thinking independantly can manifest itself into a friendship where guilt of betrayal might override duty to cause. Clone 34245A wouldn't care. Alpha might have chose a warrior like Obi-Wan over some Chancellor sitting on his high perch in Coruscant.

Carnage

 

I don't think they had a clue.

 

Order 66 was pretty silly. So in addition to Obi Wan knowing that the suddenly wrinkly, disfigured creature in a hooded robe is in fact Chancellor Palpatine, all the clones know too when he pops up on their holographs?? Or will they take the word ?Order 66? from anyone who says it and immediately go and kill Jedi?
I know soldiers follow orders but this seems to be stretching it beyond belief. The clones follow every jedi order until ?order 66? comes and then they kill them. Okay.

And if the Kaminoans programmed this into them, why wouldn?t they pass this info onto Obi Wan in AOTC they presume is the Jedi Master coming to pick them up?

I just don?t get it. If the clones are supposed to kill the Jedi (since Jedi are not that powerful) then create a storyline where the Jedi legitimately look like war criminals, thus justifying their ?execution.?

 

I loved Order 66. When Cody recieved Order 66 from Palpatine he didn't need to verify anything. It was a secure line only used by Chancellor Palpatine. This is all found in the ROTS novelization.

Order 66 doesn't mean kill the Jedi. Order 66 means destroy the enemies of the Republic. It doesn't just refer to Jedi. The kaminoans would have no reason to question the order or tell Obiwan.

The whole point of Order 66 is that it is tragic. If the Jedi were actually war criminals than the story would be messed up. The clones turning on their Jedi Masters is supposed sad. It would also make the Jedi into the bad guys.

 

I don't think so. The Separatists knew that they were working with Darth Sidious, but they did not know that he was Palpatine. Therefore they would not be aware of Order 66 or would they have programmed their droids to be aware of it.

 

I completely dissagree with this.

If it means kill all enemies of the republic then order 66 is both redundant and meaningless.

the clones are at war with the enemies of the republic, at that point the seperatists and they are already destroying them and their armies as best they can.

since the clones aren't told in the order 66 message to kill jedi i guess they just made that part up?

order 66 as presented in the film means exactly that "kill the jedi leading you, now", otherwise it's even sillier than it is as a plot device.

 

Don't forget too, that Vader is ordered to tell the droids to shut down right before Padme arrives on Mustafar. So, they were still fighting.

As for Order 66, I asked about this one on the quick, random questions thread. I was dumb enough to think there was a simple, quick answer to my question - how did they know not to kill Vader, and it led to this same discusion. Oops. I'm looking forward to seeing this discussion unfold . . .

 

i thought the order to shut the droids down was only in the novel, am i mistaken?

 

No, the Emperor tells Vader in the movie to send a message to the Trade Federation ordering all droid untits deactivated. It happens right before Anakin sees Padmé's ship arrive at Mustafar.

 

Think about how Order 66 came up. Palpatine's justification was an assination attempt by the Jedi Order. I can't believe that the clones were programmed with an order that simply called for destroying the Jedi. Impossible. It would have been revealed to Obiwan on Kamino. Everyone assumes that Palpatine didn't mention anything previous to the clone commanders, I think he did. Because Order 66 is just showing complete loyalty to the Chancellor, which the clones were programmed to do. Perhaps Order 66 is an Order that supercedes any order the clones have gotten. But the brief exchange between Cody and Palpatine misleads. That's why Palpatine must have communicated with the Clones commanders previously. He does run the Grand Army after all. I'm sure Palpatine dropped hints.

Palpatine: Commander Cody, have you witnessed any unusual behavior by Jedi Master Kenobi or any other Jedi?
Cody: Not really, sir. What do you mean?
Palpatine: Oh I'm not sure. Back here relations between the Jedi and myself are becoming very strained. Something is afoot. I suspect that Jedi may be plotting against me and the Republic.
Cody: To overthrow you, Chancellor?
Palpatine: Perhaps, right now I have no proof of couse, but what I suspect seems to be all to real.
Cody: I will keep an eye on Master Kenobi and other Jedi than for any unusual behavior, Chancellor.
Palpatine: Excellent Commander. You do know though Commander, that if something happens on Coruscant, that I will issue Order 66 and expect immediate complience?
Cody: Of course, Chancellor.
Palpatine: Thank you, Commander, you are a true hero of the Republic.

Couldn't an exchange like that occured? Because in the Dark Lord novel it's revealed that Order 66 is not simply kill the Jedi.

 

If the droids knew about Palpatine's overall plan then likely the Separatists leaders would have known. It's apparent that the leaders had no clue.

 

i haven't read the novel so i'm not sure what Dark Lord says about order 66.

If it's not to kill all the jedi generals leading the clones then how would they follow it?

If the clones had some way to know the jedi were declaired traitors your idea makes sense, they had no way to know.

I guess order 66 is really as poorly writen and contrived a plot device as i have ever seen because even now it makes no sense. He gave no instructions on who was an enemy, just told them to execute order 66, if the order is vague how did they know who to kill?

i guess it could have been to kill all jedi, their supporters, colaborators and friends, but if the words kill jedi aren't in it then it doesn't work.

 

Order 66 was one of a series of contingency orders that the clone troopers of the Grand Army of the Republic were secretly trained to prepare for during their growth. The order branded the Jedi as traitors of the Republic and called for their immediate removal without question. Its issuing marked the formal beginning of the Great Jedi Purge, that started the Galactic Civil War.

--Wookieepeedia.

It was designed as a fail safe, should the Jedi make an attempt to take over the Republic illegally. They don't have reason to question the order, because it is an executive order and the Chancellor has no reason to lie. And technically, it is not a lie. The Jedi did attempt to take over the Republic illegally. It was issued to all the commanding officers on all fronts, who then turned around and informed their squads. Palpatine commed them on a private channel that is identified as the Chancellor's and it is the Chancellor who initiates the attack. They know it is him, despite his style of dress. Given how senators dress, it's not much of a stretch.

And the reason the Kaminoans never told the Jedi, is because a Jedi ordered the Clone Army. Thus they assumed that they already knew of Order 66. You're giving the Kaminoans too little credit. They bought that it was a Jedi who placed the order. It isn't a stretch to think that the Jedi knew of Order 66 and signed off on it, as a gesture of good faith.

 

I think that you may be on to something here. Maybe the Jedi DID know of Order 66. Given the history of what Jedi become once a war begins, it may not have been that farfetched that the Jedi Council got together and thought of the idea THEMSELVES in case the war ended and a few ambitious Jedi took their battalions to bear on the Republic, turning into Sith Lords. Yoda sensed something going awry, why would he cut off the heads of the clones? Obi-Wan didn't think it was a stray canon that shot at him, he knew he was betrayed. Once he got into space and talked to Bail, he was pretty matter of fact - "My Clone Troops have turned on me." No big surprise in his voice. I think he was pretty surprised to find the magnitude, but a case could be made that Obi-Wan and Yoda were aware that the clones turning on the them was entirely possible.

Carnage