Discussion Speculation What Changes Would You Like To See In the New Jedi Order?

To be honest, I believe these are the best reasoned changes I have seen anyone suggest to reform the Jedi Order. I would not ask for anything else.

Were these reforms implemented, I think the differences would be quite apparent, especially if we are going to see the Jedi of different eras in the new films. And, at the same time, the Jedi would still be recognisable, retaining their core.

 

It’s true Coruscant has a scenery that is difficult to find in other worlds.

Luke’s temple in Ossus looked great as well.

 

Balance.

Fall completely to one side creates an imbalance. Fall too far to the light and you become complacent, naive and blind to the dark side which was the undoing of the old Jedi Order. Fall too far to the dark and you give in to arrogance, hatred and ambition.

A Jedi must maintain balance within themselves as the Force maintains balance in the universe. This is the central tenet I’d like the New Jedi Order to adopt.

 

I suppose less centralised, not just one Order, forcing people to really make sacrifices they don’t believe in If they wanna be in the club. Instead it should be like the many churches and religions we have.

For instance, whereas Obi-wan reminded Anakin “you’ll be expelled from the Jedi Order!” like it woulda been the end of Anakin’s life, ideally next time around the response would be “whatever, this place ain’t working for me, I’ll apply to the Order down the block that does allow marriages. But we can still chill on weekends”

 

I don't agree with the bolded. For one who is purely light, they can see all, darkness hides nothing. When you can see all and understand all, there can be no naivete or blindness.

 

Honestly I’d like to see the order become decentralized, and just have a bunch of different groups across the galaxy who each embrace slightly different philosophies.

If we can’t have that, though:

1.Get rid of the “no attachments” rule.
2.Make the Jedi feel more like actual peacekeepers, where they only use offensive moves as a worst case scenario.
3.Have the Jedi travel around resolving little skirmishes here and there more often, leaving important lessons behind for the people they help.
4.Get rid of the robes and have the Jedi where more sleek suits like young Kenobi did in that one flashback comic from 1978.
5.Get rid of the “only one apprentice at a time” rule.
6.Raise the starting age to like 12 at least.
7.Make the light-weapons more unique.

Idea I saw someone post on a discord server: Have Rey take all her students on adventures across the galaxy like Ms. Frizzle from Magic School Bus.

 

They should also rebuild Starlight Beacon to better reach out to systems beyond the core worlds.

 

Brown lightsabers instead of brown robes.

Seriously maybe I do mean different coloured robes, perhaps dark purple signifying a new order (colour a bit like the Emperor’s entourage in ROTJ).

Spookily that leads me to a theme where Rey is haunted by the Sith tendencies in her family line as a plot point. May be a new Jedi order could embrace the light side and the dark side.

 

I do agree that new colors for both the clothing and blades is a step in the right direction.

 

As one of the old fans I'd like to see them be the "wandering Samurai/monks/etc" a lot of us imagined after watching ANH. Decentralized, loosely organized, more mystic, etc.

 

The Jedi should have some sort of governance, perhaps slightly looser than in the PT, but certainly having one person in charge does not feel like it fits with the Jedi ethos. I think it should be more of a guiding council made up of those who prove themselves, rather than an elected body, a council that does not give out individual assignments but more guides the growth and development of the order.

 

I don’t have any particularly nerdy fan-fiction desires for how they should do this, they’ve moved the story so far from the paths I had envisioned when I was deep into the Legends EU that I don’t feel too strongly about the New Jedi at this point.

But one thing I hope they attempt is romance. Star Wars has been sorely lacking romance in the Disney era imo, and that cuts across all the films and tv, not just the ST. I don’t think the dogma/commitments of the New Jedi necessarily need to allow marriage/sexual relations, it still makes sense to me that they would have rigid religious lifestyles even after a reformation. But the story still nees enough space for some romance to happen imo

 

I think the Jedi need to stay away from politics. Almost altogether.

They also need to be better teachers about the Dark side. Instead of avoiding it altogether, doing everything they can to stay away from that path, thinking it's forever no matter what, they need to do better to able to process those feelings, maybe even the emotions that lead to it.

Not saying they need to have Dark Side training or anything, just a little more open acknowledgement that some people might be grappling that it in different ways than other students or Jedi might, and how they can still be Jedi or take advantage of those qualities.

If the dark side is a natural part of the force, of nature and the galaxy, maybe there's a way to reincorporate it into the 'good', so that it doesn't feel like it has to immediately become something Sith-like, or basically a cancer upon the system.

 

I'd second that and take it a bit further by saying that the force-sensitive being in question has to consent to joining the order. Kinda like how Luke gave Grogu a choice in TBOBF. "Kidnapping" children to join the order never sat well with me.

A "Defense against the Dark Side" class, kinda like a play on the Harry Potter "Defense against the Dark Arts" class. I'd second that too

 

Its ok to create new rules. But obviously rules were created for a reason. You don't create rules based on how you would prefer it. you create rules to keep things stable.

Lucas really did think about alot of these aspects. He thought about how emotions work and how they can actually bring out the worst in us. Even if you are a good person, you likely have done and said some bad things at some point in your life because you was emotionally struggling with something that was either not that bad but still hit you really hard, or infact devastating.

I think thats what the rules are about. the Jedi train kids young so they can basically be pure enough to grow into it. Anakin is an example of a kid needing to learn the jedi ways even though he had already embraced attachments. So if you was to change the age to say 12, then you would need to have extra care in teaching because you would be having many Anakins in your new order.

 

You speak of rules, but by the OT Yoda and OWK were already breaking their cherished rules. They trained Luke at 19, far too old, far too old to begin the training. He sensed fear in him. Much like his father before him. Yet they did it. Yoda was testing him, his patience, etc, but he trained him. He knew it had to happen.

Why? Because you adapt to changing times or you die.

The Jedi worked great for 25,000 years. But they were also delimitated twice within 30 years. Maybe it's time to analyze why instead of doing everything the PT Jedi did, just because of 'rules'.

 

I think the Jedi Code as presented in the prequels isn't necessarily bad (nor do I think Lucas intended it to be seen that way). I think the main shortcoming of the Jedi was their allegiance to a government. We have seen that the bureaucratic systems of a democracy can be infiltrated and corrupted, and in the Clone Wars S7 arc with the two Martez(?) Sisters we see a resentment towards the Jedi's position of power being geared more towards the powerful and not the downtrodden all the time. Even in Phantom Menace as a kid I was struck that the hero of the story did not try to free Shmi from slavery just bc it was not a Republic planet.

I think the New Jedi Order should be, generally, like the wizards from Tolkien's stories. Mystics who roam the land and provide counsel, acting as intermediaries to those in power to prevent war and suffering. They would be their own Order, and use their powers to help the poor and downtrodden no matter where in the galaxy they reside. Part of my speculative head-canon in fact is that the term "Jedi" comes from the planet "Jedha", and originally refers to the warrior denizens of the planet who would protect the weak pilgrims that traveled there to worship the Force. They were guardians of peace and justice, and their purview extended across the galaxy when their prowess in the force and their reputation of guarding the defenseless spread and all these various societies across the galaxy wanted their protection and insight.

If Rey builds an order that does just that, with various temples across the galaxy that are each just as important as the other (so no single ivory tower in the center of the galaxy), I think that's a big differentiator from the Jedi of old.

The big thing that I'm not sure should change however, is the Jedi view in attachments. Lucas has been adamant that is NOT a bad thing, and I can see why. Lucas never said love is forbidden, just that forming commitments (ie marriage) to those you love is too much of an attachment which distracts from your duty as a Jedi. Jedi carry immense responsibilities with the powers they have, and it's understandable that the Order would not allow anything that would potentially corrupt that power. However, I do think Rey recognizes she needs to build up the order sooner rather than later with the galaxy in turmoil and thus cannot be too strict or "picky", so I think we will see a situation where the no marriage thing is not addressed in too much depth. I think she will simply tolerate it bc some of her recruits may fall in love with one another and so she wouldn't want to expell them, or maybe she comes across older force sensitives who are already a couple and she wouldn't want to separate them either.

 

Changes for me would be more around technology. I'd like to see some new ship and equipment designs, new tech like nano tech, etc.

I would also like to see the re-emergence of different colored single and double bladed lightsabers. Rey has yellow-and I hope they keep that. I also woul'dn't mind if she ends up building it into/revealing it to actually be a separatable double bladed lightsaber. Maybe yellow on one side and green (from Luke's lightsaber on Ahch-To) on the other side. Or she could perhaps have given Luke's green lightsaber to Finn.

 

Nomadic warrior monks with the attachment rule intact. I don’t want totally normal suburban career Jedi. Keep them weird.

 

Yeah the jedi survived for hundreds of years by these rules. And what might the connection be here? What was their mistake? How can you survive for hundreds of years before breaking a rule to train a boy, and that being ultimately what destroyed them.

So what is to learn here? What are they fixing?