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What did Anakin Solo Die For?

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Maverick15, Oct 7, 2002.

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  1. Maverick15

    Maverick15 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Why did he die. The authors posting on this forum keep insinuating that it was a thing that Anakin was missing something that he made a real error but I can't see how he was any more reckless than any of his classmates on that fateful mission, but he had to bite the dust. Was there any tactical advantage in his death or was it just to kill a couple of Voxyn? Why did Anakin die from killing relatively few Vong while Ganner decimated an army? Don't tell me thatit was because of Ganner's new insights or the fact that he was only guarding a doorway rather than being surrounded. It just seems like none of this adds up, like it's contrived. What did the solo twins have, what did Anakin not have, that has Jaina and Jacen alive and well? Especially when Anakin had the most promise. I just seems like Anakin will drift into the anals of history as a guy who didn't do much never did as much as he could have and was dead from the day he was born, that his destiny was too hard for him to carry and he failed. But I can't beleive that,..as Vergere asked Jacen in Traitor, was this Anakin's best end or his worst?
     
  2. Jedi_Alman

    Jedi_Alman Jedi Padawan star 4

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    All of this and more discussed in the FASFO thread.

    It seems to me that he was killed as they would kill a secondary character. There was no point. It was uneccesary. It was bad story telling.

    If any want to argue these points you are welcome, but I assure, all have been heard on the other thread.
     
  3. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Let me write this eulogy personally because this is not a thread for mourning Anakin Solo like the Anakin Solo fan one, this is about answering a hotly debated point.

    Anakin Solo died because in general he led a very large amount of Jedi Padawans into the heart of the Yuuzhan Vong's largest cruiser and he chose to personally cover their escape against a horde of their crack troopers and he sacraficed his own lifeforce like Dorsk 81 did to get a bonus to fighting the creatures.

    Because of this they destroyed the Voxyn which indeed saved the Jedi Knighthood from destruction and allowed Jacen Solo to fufill his destiny in discovering his "center" as the Conscience of the Jedi and move Jaina Solo into becomming the avenger of the Jedi.

    He was their protector and even guides Jacen on Coruscant (I believe the third one was in fact Anakin)

    He accomplished a great deal in 17 years guys I want to add including near-single handidly taking on a Yuuzhan Vong base for a Jedi prisoner, He defeated a Sith spirit to free the souls of the Massaii Children, he recovered a Jedi Holocron and Obi Wan Kenobi's lightsaber TWICE that two Jedi masters couldn't, he fought valiantly in numerous conflicts with the Yuuzhan Vong rescuing Master Mara Jade and bringing Daeschor from the Dark Side, and he aided in the destruction of the fleet at Fondor. He saved Corellia from eradication at the hand of the Saccorian triad...single handidly winning that engagement. He never forgot the little people from Tusken Raiders to the Shamed One who because of his actions will become a great cult of Jedi worshippers

    His accomplishments are numerous and grand for a young Jedi Knight-even a post humous one.

    Anyway Ganner slew an army because he dropped 10,000 tons of rock on the top of their heads, Anakin killed just as many personally as Ganner did in individual combat onboard the Myrkyr curiser and he didn't have Ganner's training/wasn't using the Dark Side of the Force which Ganner was.
     
  4. farraday

    farraday Jedi Knight star 7

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    In my view?

    Because his relationship was better then Jania's and the sense of destiny around him surpassed Jacen's.


    In my view they wanted to play up the twins and Anakin surpassed them.
     
  5. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Anakin was dating a fifteen year old, in a year it would have been illegal in every state as far as I could tell without the Tusken Raider's permission.

    :)

    Truth be told I lost most of my respect for Anakin's destiny when he failed to convince Mom to be a Jedi Knight and he started believing in a God above the Force


     
  6. NikeSkylark

    NikeSkylark Jedi Padawan star 4

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    anakin died to serve other people. if anakin hadn't died would jacen have been captured by the vong??? probably not. would he now have the understanding of them he has now??? probably not. would jaina have gone nuts and had that brush with the dark side if anakin had lived??? definately not... or at least not at that moment in her life. would the jedi survivors have ended up on hapes if anakin was there and maybe tip the vote on where to go??? possibly. if they jedi hadn't ended up on hapes jaina may not have caught up with jag again. would kyp still be a pain in luke's side if it wasn't for anakin's death??? most likey. the reason kyp became more reasonable and more cooperative is becoz of jaina going to the dark side and him trying to stop it.

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  7. Jedi_Ben_Skywalker

    Jedi_Ben_Skywalker Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Wow- I agree with Nike. That doesnt happen very often. ;)
     
  8. farraday

    farraday Jedi Knight star 7

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    That might be a good arguement if the entire NJO was plotted out before hand.
     
  9. forceaddict

    forceaddict Jedi Padawan star 4

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    but i believe that key points like anakin's death, and jaina's flirting with the darkside was planned before hand, that way lucas could agree to it
     
  10. Mastadge

    Mastadge Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The authors posting on this forum keep insinuating that it was a thing that Anakin was missing something that he made a real error but I can't see. . .

    That's the point. WJW was implying that it's one of those things where, when you find out, it'll be like, "OMG, how could I not have seen this earlier!"
     
  11. Nerak

    Nerak Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Will he come back in a blue glowy form or t anyother died jedis.

    Can they do this, is it that they cant do ti because of the films.
     
  12. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    I have difficulty figuring it out myself.

    Maybe the whole "god thing" was a red herring and the thing he missed was trying to make the Force a tool when you are in fact the hammer and it the wielder?

    Yes they can do this BTW and in fact have done it

    Anakin though supremely out of character was it seems the person in traitor speaking to Jacen the third time unlike with the false Vergere before

    We also saw Vergere doing it
     
  13. Knight1192

    Knight1192 Jedi Knight star 6

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    Who says he's actually dead?
     
  14. Darth_Shaver

    Darth_Shaver Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Er, the people who burnt his body?
     
  15. J_K_DART

    J_K_DART Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    My thoughts?

    Let?s just say the reason had better be a good one, otherwise I will be extremely annoyed with the entire NJO ? Anakin?s death is the one major fault I have with them, and for me it?s undermining the entire series. He accomplished a lot, BUT he had so much potential for more; his death is such a massive waste of that potential.

    -->If Anakin died, would Jacen have been captured by the Vong? Yeah, if the writer worked at it, it could?ve happened
    -->Would Jaina have fallen to the Dark Side? Yeah, imo she was on that particular road as of BP
    -->The reason Kyp became reasonable was Anakin?s death ? he was becoming ?reasonable? even into SbS, long before the death

    Frankly, Anakin?s ?legacy? has been one of heartache and pain, not one that befits a hero such as he. He?s left a legacy of captives and death, of a mother torn apart, a sister plunging into the Dark Side (well, OK, paddling in it 8-} ), a brother captured and twisted by Vergere? His death has only served to darken the night still further, which is of SERIOUS annoyance to me. If it had served as a unifier to the Jedi or something, fine, or a rally-cry ? but no evidence of that. Unless they justify this a lot, I will *seriously* be at odds with this series.
     
  16. Darth_Flair

    Darth_Flair Jedi Youngling star 1

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    In story line terms?

    Anakin died saving the rest of the strike team in the Myrkr raid. Even though he was the leader and had no business sacrificing himself like that and the team still ended up in great peril and Jacen just barely got rid of the voxyn queen anyway. In other words Anakin's death signified a complete and total failure of his character taking in regard his previous in EoV and SBS prior to his demise.

    To Del Rey?

    They did it to make an idiotic point about no character in the NJO being safe from an untimely death. At least that's how its starting to seem now. Nothing has been done to resolve all the loose ends left by his death. WJW it seems is stating that Anakin was marked for death the entire time, which I believe and can understand when you take EoV out of the picture, and that it ties in with some kind of overriding theme of the NJO but that all of these loose ends that all of us are harping about are just that loose ends that probably won't get resolved. So ultimately DR gets to make their point and tick a lot of us off in the process and give nothing back to the reader's who have spent a good deal of money and a great amount of time reading the NJO in terms of a payoff or a satisfactory conclusion when it comes to Anakin. I still enjoy NJO and the EU a great deal and don't plan stopping here but it still really irks me. I believe the internal logic of DR on this matter is along the lines of cutting off your own nose in order to spite your face. Huh, maybe that's how they came up with idea for the Yuuzhan Vong.
     
  17. Tiershon_Fett

    Tiershon_Fett Jedi Knight star 5

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    He died for nothing. That's what war does.
     
  18. J_K_DART

    J_K_DART Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    And what a series of books does if it's decided to wipe out the best of characters it has.
     
  19. Darth_Flair

    Darth_Flair Jedi Youngling star 1

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    He died for nothing. That's what war does.

    Yes that is most certainly true. But that still doesn't mean that doing it this way is particularly good storytelling or that we have to like it. The GFFA is first and foremost a fantasy world with its own internal logic basically geared toward telling an effective story. The NJO is a fairly broad arc within the GFFA. In effective storytelling whether it be about war or not a main character, and in the case of NJO one of the defining characters in the arc, does not get pointlessly killed in the middle of the story. Especially when from a plot standpoint the death is uneccessary to advance the desired plot down the line and it doesn't seem to fit in with some kind of overriding theme of the arc. WJW says Anakin's death does fit in with an overriding theme of the NJO. I certainly hope this is the case but I have yet to see it.
     
  20. Innle_of_Obernewtyn

    Innle_of_Obernewtyn Jedi Youngling star 3

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    He was killed "to further the plot". I hate that kind of death. I honestly believe that he isn't dead, if only because I can't see Lucas buying into that "futher the plot" ****. I didn't read these books to see the reality of war, I read them so I could see good kick evil's @$$ without any main characters being killed. I read them to enjoy them, to escape into a fantasy.
     
  21. Sabrajaguar

    Sabrajaguar Jedi Youngling star 4

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    While anakin was no more Reckless in SBS. In Edge Of Victory dulagy. He was reckless to the max.

    Its Karma. And well he was a Turnoff. Like pre Exar Kyp, ESB Luke, and Anakin Skywalker, he was so presumtuious and Arrogant and abrasive the fans of Any other characters would be glad to see them smacked around. While no one wanted Anakin dead, out side of his own fan base he was not that well liked.

    And over saturation. NJO stoped being Solo oriented and becaome Anakin oriented. 2 books of his own, Back to Back? over saturation.
     
  22. BobaFetts_Clone

    BobaFetts_Clone Jedi Youngling star 2

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    He died because there was conflict between people mistaking Anakin Skywalker and Anakin Solo......
     
  23. Mara_Jade_Fan

    Mara_Jade_Fan Jedi Knight star 6

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    ^ That is the truth actually. At the Celebration II in Indianapolis, I attended both EU authors panels, and Del Rey's Shelly Shapiro and Sue Rostoni, along with "Star by Star" author Troy Denning said it was simply that there was no room in the GFFA for two Anakin's. I think they were terribly wrong to kill off Anakin, and it angered me that they killed him for such a stupid reason as his name. I thought his death was a far worse decision than killing off Chewie.
     
  24. dp4m

    dp4m Mr. Bandwagon star 10

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    Not this rumor again... :)

    It was debunked months ago. I should know... I started the thread on it... :)
     
  25. patchx

    patchx Jedi Youngling

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    i heard the thing about it being a direct order from lucas because he was worried that two anakins would confuse the less hardcore and newer fans

    is that not true now?

    also ganners death was dumb it was a rip off of gandalf and borimir from the LOTR welded together

    "you shall not pass" + standing single handedly slaying savage enemies in piles until killed to protect someone else

    besides that though the books rock
     
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