What did Githany want with Darovit?

It's clear at the end of Jedi vs. Sith that Githany wants to initiate the Rule of Two and become Bane's apprentice. However, she also tries to bring Darovit along with her to meet Bane and escape the thought bomb.

Why? Was she planning on stripping him of the Force? Killing him as some sort of gift for Bane? Killing bane and taking Darovit on as her new apprentice/lover, instead of her assuming the role for Bane?

 

I think she just wanted a tool, and wasn't too concerned about his future. Because if she wanted backup against Bane, a twelve-year-old kid who goes by "Tomcat" just isn't going to cut it.

 

You do realize that Darovit was only about thirteen-ish in JvS, don't you? I think Star Wars would have crossed a new boundary if the third option was the case.

Then again, you could have very well asked, "What did Darovit want with Githany?" which would be an easier question to answer.

Besides, I always got the impression Githany planned to be Bane's partner in the "Rule of Two."

 

K'Kruhk's super cool hat, 21B's bowtie, Kyle's shoulder pad, Tarpals' mustache and Githany's thong. Wow.

I figured it was either that or kill Bane and keep Darovit as her own apprentice. She seemed to be covering her bases.

 

Darovit was fifteen, I thought. And in any event, I'm sure Githany knew what effect she had on him; it seemed obvious in the comic. And since there wa that big post about what Bane wanted with Zannah, I figured...

 

I still hold to the theory that Darovit never even had use of the force. I don't think there's one part in the story where Darovit shows his force power except for the ambiguous opening of the flower (which could have been Rain, I mean wouldn't Torr have recognized it if Darovit had done it for her?). There's also the fact that the Thought Bomb did not destroy him and several other scenes where characters mention him using Jedi weapons like clubs.

Perhaps Githany saw Darovit as the son she and Kiel Charny never had, or perhaps she kept him to remind her of Charny's death.

 

That makes a lot of sense. Also considering why he was so hostile to Bug for doing his fish trick, so eager to bring Rain along, and the context of the baseball game they're playing at the beginning.

But then, Torr, Charny, Githany et al didn't manage to sense that he lacked the Force? And he must have done other things to make Bug, Rain, and Root all think he had the ability.

 

I've always held to the theory that Darovit wasn't actually force-sensitive - and I think Torr Snapit actually knew that. There's some subtle hints that its so, IMHO.

 

Darovit had no force sensitivity at all, that?s why he didn?t die in the thought bomb, rain had been carrying his ass all along. Githany was yet another weak sith lord, so weak in fact that she couldnt even see that Darovit had no connection to the force.

 

I'm having a great deal of trouble with the idea that powerful, well respected Jedi, as well as a few Sith, could not at all sense that Darovit had no sensitivity to the Force. Darovit's survival is a mystery, then, but it's hard to swallow that he was a complete Force squib. I got the feeling that it was the impression of the authors that Rain opens up to the Force at that moment where she starts kicking @$$, but I doubt she was carrying Darovit. Everyone would have been able to tell, no? I tend to the think that for all his hotshot ways, Darovit was weaker than the other two children, but not that he was completely sans Force-connection.

 

Wait a minute I?m confused.

When Darovit didn?t die in the thought bomb I presumed this was because he had no force sensitivity, after all he?s screaming ?why isn?t it happening to me? (or something like that) when his brother is dying from the effects.

But then Githany appears all rotted & on the verge of falling apart she says ?Bane look I was strong enough to survive? but then she dies.

Bane & Rain (that rhymes) survive I presumed because they were out of the though bombs range, but maybe they survived because they were so strong.

So A) Darovit survived because he had no connection with the force
Or B) Darovit survived because he had a very powerful connection with the force

thoughts?

 

Here's my reasoning:

Darovit was not force-sensitive - he was only taken to Ruusan and placed in the army because of the desperate situation. I assume Jedi such as Hoth, Charny and the rest would sense this - but they had bigger concerns on their mind, and it was too late to send Darovit back - there was a Sith blockade, after all.

A few things

1) The Jedi scout NEVER sees Darovit use the Force - he relies on Darovit's cousin, Root for that info.
2) There's a very telling line - Torr Snapit tells Darovit that using a lightsaber doesn't make you a Jedi. Look at Darovit throughout the whole story - that's the only thing even vaguely "Jedish" that he does.

 

Yeah you?re right. May that be a lesson to all & sundry never second-guess yourself.

 

Darovit busts the pod for rain. People will say that that was the author misleading us, but why would Darovit THINK that he could do it if he couldn't? It would seem awful silly of me to presume to be able to, say, assist someone with a gymnastics routine if I've never studied gymnastics in my life.

Why would they bring a non Force-sensitive along to join a Jedi army? Desperate situations do not call for the unqualified. Jedi bringing along a regular joe to join their army in a desperate situation is like US army recruiters bringing quadraplegics along for the ride.

The reason the only thing "Jedi-ish" Darovit does is weild a lightsaber is because Darovit is not "Jedi-ish." He's arrogant and impatient.

Devil's advocate.

Are there any RPG stats that might shed light on this situation?

 

Well, about the non-Jedi in the army thing, the Army of Light was lead by Jedi, and possibly even consisted of a majority of Jedi, but there were definitely non-Force sensitives in it, also. At the very least, they could have used another kid to work the kitchens and whatnot to free up an additional battle-ready person (as was seen in the comic).

 

Definitely true.

 

The Army of Light had a good amount of non-Jedi troops amongst its numbers. Take a look at the last few pages of JvS when Bane comes buzzing into the battle site. Some of those guys milling about were more than cooks or dishwashers. And since they weren't wiped out by the thought bomb, it leads credence to the idea that Darovit wasn't Force-Sensitive.

 

Darovit wasn't taken as a regular enlistee, he was taken with the intent of becoming a Jedi alongside the other two children. I get all the evidence that he wasn't Force sensitive, but what about the evidence that he was?

 

Did you guys even read thje comi. The scout was very nervice at the idea of taking along someone weak in the force (Rain at the time, even though she was the strongest of them all). There is no way in hell he would take a non-force user.

Plus, he killed quite a few sith minions with the lightsaber. Lightsabers are just as dangeruos to the user as the enemy if the user is non force sensetive.

 

Torr was nervous taking the kids because they each had large dark sides to them - Zannah eventually becomes a Sith Lord, Darovit defects to the Sith and kills the Jedi commander, and Hardin (ironically the only one who turns out good) exhibits the worst traits at first, having an irritable personality and cruelty towards animals.

 

Darovit was not force-sensitive - he was only taken to Ruusan and placed in the army because of the desperate situation. I assume Jedi such as Hoth, Charny and the rest would sense this - but they had bigger concerns on their mind, and it was too late to send Darovit back - there was a Sith blockade, after all.

As someone already beat me to pointing out, Tomcat (Darovit) was the one who made it possible for Rain (Zannah) to go to Ruusan by allowing her to pass Tor Snapit's test. It was not until she reached Ruusan that she actually demonstrated that she was Force-sensitive. Bug (Hardin) actually confronted Tomcat about the fact that he made it appear to Tor Snapit that Rain had caused the seed pod to burst and Tomcat's comment was that sense all three were related they should stay together. Only Tomcat and Bug had demonstrated on their home planet that they were Force-sensitive and Tor Snapit had only gone there because of them.

So the real question is Tomcat survived the thought bomb when so many others did not.

 

As someone already beat me to pointing out, Tomcat (Darovit) was the one who made it possible for Rain (Zannah) to go to Ruusan by allowing her to pass Tor Snapit's test.

So it seems, but there's no actual proof, that it was Tomcat, and not Rain.

Sure...everyone thinks he does, but there's no hard proof. He shows no real force-power during the entire story.

The scout ONLY sees the incident with the seed pod.

All we see is Rain behind the seed pod, Tomcat saying "concentrate" and extending a hand.

For all we know Tomcat may have never had any force ability at all - it was merely Rain or Bug using their powers innately (and without their knowledge).

 

I still find it really strange that Torr (not to mention, Githnay, Charny, et al) would either be unable to sense that Darovit wasn't able to use for the Force, or would bring him anyways. My only guess is that he knew that bringing Darovit was the only way Bug and Rain would also come.

 

I've always thought that "sensing" the Force in someone, while a fairly simple matter, always required at least *some* effort.

Charny, Githany and others never bothered because, after all, he was brought to Ruusan by a Jedi Scout and was wielding a lightsaber, so they guessed he had at least *some* force potential.

That leaves Torr Snapit, and I notice he doesn't seem to have a very high opinion of Darovit, and, as others have said, perhaps he only took Darovit because it was the only way to take Hardin and Zannah as well.

 

Sensing the Force in someone takes no effort whatsoever, because there are few instances of anyone actively seeking the Force in someone else. It's the sort of thing that characters tend to simply notice, a thing that more often than not takes a Jedi by surprise. A good example is Vader remarking, "The Force is strong with this one," during the Death Star run, or when Qui-Gon says he "sensed a vergence in the Force."

Most of what's going up is speculation. What we know for sure is that the three kids were supposed to be sensitive in the Force, the Jedi seemed to accept that they were and take them all along with the intent of training them to be Jedi, and none of the Jedi ever said anything about Darovit being any weaker in the Force than the other two, and the author seems to imply that he at least wants the audience to believe that Darovit helped Rain pop the seed pod. If not for this little bit about him surviving the thought bomb, as did Githany for a bit, there would be no question as to his Force ability.