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What did really happened to Shmi Skywalker?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Chido_One_Bonjovi, Jun 18, 2005.

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  1. Chido_One_Bonjovi

    Chido_One_Bonjovi Jedi Youngling

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    A friend came to me with this question, Why did the Tusken raiders take Shmi hostage? Why did they kept her alive tied up for a month or so? Why they didn't asked for ransom?, What did they want with her?, and came to the horrible conclusion that maybe she had been "abused" (and I quote since I don't know how explicit I can be on a subject like this, because it's not allowed to post messages of sexual nature,but I think everybody understands what I mean).
    Her Husband (Something Lars), and Anakin keep refering to the tusken as "animals"; well, if it is like this, I think it adds a whole new dimension on what Anakin felt at the moment he killed them "like animals", and how this event affected him in the future.

    P.S. I signed up only to post this, i hope i'm not banned, it was never my intention to ofend anyone.
     
  2. ClonedEmperor

    ClonedEmperor Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Personally i believe they just captured her and just tortured her for fun, and she was pretty close to death when Anakin found her
     
  3. classixboy

    classixboy Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I am on record with this elsewhere: she was raped.

    And this has been openly discussed on the boards before without censorship.
     
  4. The-D

    The-D Jedi Master star 4

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    I'll buy that.
     
  5. Darth_Juggalo

    Darth_Juggalo Jedi Youngling star 1

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    There was also at some level or another a cut made to ROTS in which Dooku anounced that he set the whole thing up. It does sound far fetched but i have read/heard about this multiplwe times from different sources. And rape does seem like a possibility.
     
  6. NICHOLAS_SKYWALKER

    NICHOLAS_SKYWALKER Jedi Youngling star 3

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    the tusken's got what they deserved.
     
  7. The-D

    The-D Jedi Master star 4

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    The tusken women and children didn't (assuming they didn't harm Shmi.)
     
  8. DeathToDaDooku

    DeathToDaDooku Jedi Youngling

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    they captured her and kept her hostage just in case more peoples on swoop bikes came for her, then they could threaten to kill her. unfounded idea.
     
  9. TrueJedi

    TrueJedi Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I started a thread about this before and the consensus is that she was physically violated in a number of different ways.
     
  10. Master_Jedi80

    Master_Jedi80 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    i watched AOTC yesterday and was wondering the same thing...

    She must have been abused, physically and mentally, and possibly sexually.

    Anakin must have felt and or noticed this upon finding her, adding obvious fuel to his fire and rage.

     
  11. YoungAngus

    YoungAngus Jedi Master star 5

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    Thats very resanoble, also I think that they used her as bait to get people to come cause cliegg says like a bunch of people went out looking for her and didnt come back.

    Then a more far fetched idea is palps or dooku had soemthing to do with it to get Anakin to turn. but I doubt it.
     
  12. DarthJohnkenobi

    DarthJohnkenobi Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I do believe this is fleshed out in the novelization of AOTC. It was part of some Tuscan manhood intitation. The younger Tuscan would torture the captive more and more, seeing how long they last. Shmi lasted about a month. Something like that anyway.
     
  13. snorkling_squirrel

    snorkling_squirrel Jedi Youngling

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    I think that Shmi was abused pysically and sexually. What else could get Anakin so pissed as to kill the children and the women who really had nothing to do with it. And refer to them as animals.
     
  14. Loco_for_Lucas

    Loco_for_Lucas Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I'm of the opinion that she died of her injuries and the worst thing they did was not tend to her as they should have to ensure her survival. I doubt she was raped anyway as I assume they had monogymous relationships in the tribe. Besides, If they were, I doubt they would have let her die. As a tribe, they'd have realized she "served a purpose" and tried to keep her alive for as long as possible. Treating her wounds, feeding her enough, etc. I suppose I'm of the naive type that feels his villains are classy enough to have their own code of ethics. They're evil, but they won't stoop to such behavior.
     
  15. NICHOLAS_SKYWALKER

    NICHOLAS_SKYWALKER Jedi Youngling star 3

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    im afraid in my anger i killed her. The sand people really did get what they deserved. There brutal heartless savages. im sure the woman would be like that and if the kids werent then they would turn into it. I think its just there instict to kill for fun or food.
     
  16. zombie

    zombie Jedi Master star 4

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    I think it is perfectly clear that Shmi was physically and sexually assaulted. Theres nothing more to it than that. In primitive times on earth, after waring tribes had done battle the victors would take the women of their enemy prisoner to be used for pleasure, whether it be for torture or rape (often both), and this could also include their use in rituals and such, as the AOTC novel apparently implies. Heavy stuff, for a star wars film. [face_devil]

    interestingly, in the first draft of ROTS, Dooku reveal that he arranged Anakin's mother to be kidnapped by the Tusken Raiders! Of course this is clearly nothing more than a ploy to enrage Anakin, and I think Lucas dropped the idea because the notion of Shmi being naturally kidnapped is much more powerful and he didnt want to confuse the audience with Dooku's manipulation.
     
  17. Jikit

    Jikit Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I agree but the woman and children are evil nasty killers to. Don't take any of the Raiders lightly or that could be your head. I mean if you played Knights of the Old Republic you know what I mean. Any ways I think it is possible that the sexually assaulted her.
     
  18. Grand_Moff_Jawa

    Grand_Moff_Jawa Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I never interpreted that scene as anything more than Shmi being held hostage in exchange for something the Tuskens wanted. Shmi being "assaulted" never crossed my mind.

    And Dooku setting it all up? Nah. He doesn't speak Tusken Raider, does he?


     
  19. Johnny_Solo_65

    Johnny_Solo_65 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    It says in the Episode II Visual Dictionary that the Tuskens only take off their outer clothing once in their lives, on their wedding night. So, the idea that they sexually assaulted Shmi is probably not what Lucas meant us to think. It also says that it was pretty common for Tuskens to raid settlements and towns, because the Tuskens are natives to Tatooine, and don't like settlers. So I've always thought that kidnapping and torturing Shmi (and probably other people) was the Tuskens way of saying go away, or even punishing them for taking over their land and interrupting their relatively peaceful, nomadic way of life, as well as competing with them for water.
     
  20. -_-_-_-_-_-

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    I think it's pretty absurd to assume Shmi was "sexually assualted" by the Tusken Raiders. It's obvious she was beaten and tortured but there is absolutely no proof that rape was even possible.


    It's Star Wars, not Pulp Fiction.
     
  21. The-D

    The-D Jedi Master star 4

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    ^

    Who was raped in Pulp Fiction?
     
  22. Grand_Moff_Jawa

    Grand_Moff_Jawa Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Ving Rhame's character.
     
  23. The-D

    The-D Jedi Master star 4

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    Oh yeah, forgot about that.

    Now I wish I still didn't remember it. :(
     
  24. Tyson

    Tyson Jedi Youngling star 3

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    She was gangbanged.
     
  25. YoungAngus

    YoungAngus Jedi Master star 5

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    This was posted somewhere w/ a list of easter eggs:

    Tusken Raiders have a horrible ritual called "bloodrites," a frightful tradition of stalking, capturing and torturing prey over a span of weeks to earn passage into adulthood.

     
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