What do the Ubese look like?

I know the whole story behind the damage to the planet and everything. About the ubese creating deadly weapons, so the old republic "dealt with them". But, I can't seem to find anything that tells what the Ubese look like. Can somebody help me?

 

They're basically near-human (stay away from this, Val... ), with white skin, grim faces and black markings around the eyes...

There's a pic in the Alien Anthology, but I can't scan it now...

 

Like Leia in ROTJ, in the boushh outfit, as I recall.

"They're basically near-human (stay away from this, Val...)"

Cough, gamer 9 says that Near-human are assorted collection of species that might as well be called human, cough.

Speaking of which did you know that there are many scientists wanting to move chimpanzees from pongadae(sp?) over into the the human category(because genetically they are just 2 genes more than being homo sapiens, as well they use simple tools, and have a basic culture system)?

They will have a new name called Homo Trogladyte. They will become direct human cousins, like the homo neanderthalis.

 

Alright ladies, no need to start an argument now

 

Note I'm not a lady. Note your icon is an ubese armor.

Xizor is right about the under the mask bit, which is new EU material as far as I know. But previously most people know ubese by their armor, so I brought that up to make things easier.

 

first of all, i know your not a lady, i simply said so to possible end your little quarrel. Second, I'm sure the Ubese don't wear the armor all the time. I want to know what they look like under the armor.

What is the alien anthology?

And one more thing Val. It's spelled Boushh. not Boussh

 

Note I'm not a lady.

I don't know why, but that just brought me to tears laughing so hard. Said it so nonchalantly...

 

In WotC's Alien Anthology, page 109, three Ubese are shown, two sans masks.

Quoting the text:

"Ubese are slight near Humans who appear graceful but frail. They tend to have fair skin and dark hair, with eye colors of brilliant green or blue. They have no body or facial hair. Their facial stucture tends to be narrow, with high cheekbones and eyes that appear much too large for their faces when compared to baseline Humans. Males and females of the species both stand roughly the same height, with males being only slightly heavier of build than females. Their vocal cords do not produce speech above a rasping whisper sound, so they use a highly refined form of sign language when communicating with other Ubese. Adults of the species stand between 1.4 meters and 2.2 meters in height."

I'll try to scan and post the image.

EDIT: Here ya' go!

 

Yeah, and it's Xizor, not Xixor.

Cool, now we won't be alone on this Earth anymore...

Just, remind me, what was the term that should be used instead of 'near-human' ?

Even if near-human is employed in that case by the AA...

 

Human is the the term that covers all species that fall withen the family "Homindae". "Homo" is genus inside of the human family. "Sapiens" is a species within genus "Homo". The second Sapiens is a subspecies within species sapiens. Earth Humans are Homo Sapiens Sapiens. But we may not be the only humans on earth alive if chimps and gorillas are moved into homindae. Chimps will fall under our same genus, but seperate species, yet will still be human.

The term "near-human" in anthrolopogy tends to be used for missing links, the links between superfamily Hominoidea and family homindae as I recall reading. These are species that don't have use of tools and may not have any form of culture, or refined ability to communicate as I recall.

Like gamer 9 said, all so-called in star wars "near-human" species might as well just be called "Human"(because technically they are).

 

Well, I couldn't get just the image to post, so click on the link in my previous post to see the pic.

It appears the Ubese decimated their home system in a series of super-weapon attacks that split the Ubese into two groups. That must be meant to explain the differences in facial features between the Ubese on the far left and far right.

 

"That must be meant to explain the differences in facial features between the Ubese on the far left and far right."

Of course it may just be because one is male and one is female.

 

So now we can use 'near-human' in a SW context without being utterly crushed by your posts about the wrongs of the term. Cool.

 

Of course...

 

"So now we can use 'near-human' in a SW context without being utterly crushed by your posts about the wrongs of the term. Cool."

Just so you know, i'm not incorrect to call them "human" since that is technically what they would be according to anthropology as well as gamer 9.

As far as I can tell no so called "near-human" species in star wars are missing links between evolutionary chains superfamily Hominoidea and family homindae. So technically all of the species called near-human, are human, just various genus and species within the family of humans as gamer 9 says it to be, and backed up with anthropological system.

 

Oh, I didn't say you were wrong. In fact i agree with you on that point...

It's just that 'in-universe' they're called 'near-human', so most people use that term...

 

You can thank the rpg for the reason that near-human is used in the books. It was a term created to show that species was so close to human that it wasn't really an alien species. While it was a mis-application of the term, probably based on the fact that alot of people aren't going to be awhare that near-human is an anthropoligical term for something else. The rpg people stipulated there own meaning, and thought near-human was a good descriptor. Which left a term that most authors use in the EU(Which doesn't mean that the term is accurate even in a star wars context, but it stuck). Gamer 9 clarified this matter though in it's letters column.

So yes they are human, but are called near-human. We don't really know how the term near-human arose. But I have my ideas. When the empire took over through propaganda insemination they brought in alot of terminology that downgraded people(terminology that may have existed but in limited use by certain already existing specieists).

Alien Species(species that didn't evolve from primates for the most part) were called aliens, some humans were called near-human, Some humans were called aliens, and humans of imperial's choosing were called humans and said to be above the rest. Palpatine and imperials with their propaganda of "high human culture", had affectively rewritten the rules of anthropology in the direction that they wanted it to be, effectivly separating "One species of human" from other species. On a similar note, Linneas in early days of anthropology tried to seperate Asians, Indians, and Africans into 3 seperate species other than the so-called european species(which by his descriptions, the europeans were made out to be the superior species). Luckily his belief is no longer followed by the modern anthropoligists, though as I recall there have been white racists down the ages that try to use linneas as there proof that they are superior.

Hoole, who trained in "University" while the empire was in controle, would have learned "Imperial's new doctrine" and would have not seen any of the underlying bigotry in it, and would have just used it because that is what he learned. Sadly a bit of the empire's propaganda which lasts to the time of NJO.

This idea has precedence from the fact that many sourcebooks talk about propaganda of the empire and his ability to rewrite belief systems in many people. As well making them forget history that some may have actually lived through. Then I must point out illustrated star wars universe had a article written by palpatine's head propaganda chief.

 

That's the kind of posts I was refering to... You're absolutely correct, though.

 

Hey, Val. Loosen up just a tad. you get so butt-hurt about everything (no offense). Who cares if somebody calls them near humans. Technically, they are not humans, they are just genetically close. Thust Near-human. Plain and simple. we don't need your lectures, so give up with them already.

 

"Technically, they are not humans, they are just genetically close"

Gamer 9 doesn't agree with you, and I pointed out the phrase up above. Your reading too much into me. I think your the one getting uptight about your thoughts of ome. I have just use something I really enjoy(anthropology), and tie it to how it's involved with star wars, so please back off.

Here is more info:
"The family Hominidae includes only one contemporary species, Homo sapiens, which you may recognize as the scientific name for modern humans. It also includes all the fossil forms of distinctly human ancestors and related species that became clearly differentiated from the other hominoids (the various species of apes) and evolved in a distinctly human direction. In general, anthropologists apply the term hominid to all human and human like forms the fall within this taxon.
Hominids characteristic be divided into two types:

primitive, or generalized, characteristics, which are held in common with other species within a more comprehensive group (primates, anthropoids, catarrhines, and hominoids); and
derived, or specialized, characteristics, which are distinct to hominid lines and are not shared with non-human primate species.
The derived characteristics are especially important for charting and understanding what we are as humans and how we came to differ from other primates. One key to understanding the special features of our species is our adaptation to a special habitat, the tropical grasslands of Africa, which represents a departure from the dense forests that support most primate species, including our closest relatives: the gorilla, chimpanzee, and bonobo. A second is the development of technologies and other cultural modes of behaviour that increasingly transformed the environments and contexts in which we survived and developed.
Specialized hominid characteristics

teeth: small front teeth (canines and incisors) and very large molars relative to other primate species;
(The reduced canine size is associated with the absence of a diastema, a gap between the canine and the premolar, which accomadates a large canine in ape and monkey species. The large molars may be an adaptation to a diet based on relatively hard vegetable foods such as nuts, berries, and grains that were abundant in the grasslands.)
posture: bipedalism, involving numerous anatomical adaptations including:
a fully erect stance and gait,
shortening of the arms relative to the legs,
restructuring of the pelvic bones for weight bearing,
restructuring of the foot or weight bearing, involving the loss of toe opposability;
hands: increased manual dexterity involving a lengthening of the thumb;
brain: increase in brain size, especially in the frontal lobes;
face: reduction in the musculature and bone mass of the skull and face involving a flattening of the muzzle area."

Current primate family tree

 

I know that all homo sapiens can further be divided into sub-species due to slight differences in physical apperance. Basically, were all still the same species over all, but it is the slight difference that split us into these sub species.

 

Yep sub-species is the right term for the aspect of humans that evolved beyond base level humans. We are actually currently subspecies sapiens under species sapiens. Which is read "Homo Sapiens Sapiens".

Though our species sapiens sapiens has various races. Races have nothing to do with sub-species.

 

You're probably right. Never did actually understand the whole sub-species thing like I should have.

 

Val explains things better than any of my teachers ever did.