What Good Is "Intensifying Forward Firepower" If You're Not Firing?

Maybe they thought a super charged-up gun would frighten those pesky rebels away?

J'ever stop and analyze the Empire's military tactics and think "No wonder they lost"?

 

He said to "Intensify forward fire power" to make sure that no fighters managed to do Kamikaze runs on the Bridge. However, he never got a chance to confirm the order as an A-Wing came crasing through the bridge at that very moment. Also, "Intensify forward fire power" doesn't mean to make a very powerful blast, but to increase the ammount of Turbolasers firing.

 

Increase it from zero to zero? They were not fighting back!

 

Um, the turbo lasers were firing...didn't you ever see them? The Star Destroyers weren't going to sit there and let the Rebellion blow their fleet apart, they were just in a defensive position as they didn't want to attack yet.

 

They weren't shooting because they didn't have to. With their shields up, it was just a matter of watching the lasers glance off the shields or ships crash into it and explode. Once the shield generator is destroyed, they're forced to fire back. The order was to intensify the lasers they were *planning* to fire because now, without their shield, even the debris of destroyed ships could hurt them. ("I don't want anything to get through.") Unfortunately, the A-wing that slammed into them stopped any order before it could be put into action.

Outside of that, the Star Destroyers were firing, they just weren't moving into attack formations. It would be rather silly to just sit there and allow someone to use you as cover from the Death Star and not try to pick some of them off.

 

You can see the Executor try in vain to shoot the A-wing down, but Green Leader's spiraling trajectory evaded its fire. The bigger indictment is probably on all the TIEs for letting Rebel fighters get that close to the flagship's bridge.

This battle was probably not Baron Fel's shining moment.

 

Watch the DVD again Howell, they were firing. As has been pointed out, you can even see them trying to shoot the A-Wing down.

 

The forward guns of the Executor were the ones that destroyed the X-Wing and caused the nearby A-Wing to spiral out of control into the ship's bridge.

Do you really think that Rebel pilots are prone to doing suicide runs of their own accord? The explosion that destroyed the X-Wing must have badly damaged the A-Wing's flight controls, as well as causing the ship to spin with the concussion of the explosion.

Piett was ordering an intensification of the forward turbo laser batteries in order to repel an attempted strafing runs of the bridge after the bridge shields were destroyed.

 

Do you really think that Rebel pilots are prone to doing suicide runs of their own accord? The explosion that destroyed the X-Wing must have badly damaged the A-Wing's flight controls, as well as causing the ship to spin with the concussion of the explosion.

Piett was ordering an intensification of the forward turbo laser batteries in order to repel an attempted strafing runs of the bridge after the bridge shields were destroyed.


But the pilot of that A-Wing was performing a kamikaze attack. His name escapes me, but he was making up for a cowardly act that he had done, and rammed the bridge of the Executor

 

I think the jury's still out on that one. From the way he's screaming, it doesn't sound like he's in control of his trajectory at that moment. Doesn't change the fact that the fighters never should have let the A-wing get in that close, though.

This battle was probably not Baron Fel's shining moment.

Indeed it wasn't. *sniffles*

 

But the pilot of that A-Wing was performing a kamikaze attack. His name escapes me, but he was making up for a cowardly act that he had done, and rammed the bridge of the Executor

Oh, Buda! As Dark Lady Mara said, by his screams alone the A-Wing pilot didn't look as if he wanted to commit suicide. And as I said previously, in a clip directly before the A-Wing spiralled out of control (the emphasise being on "out of control") into the Executor's bridge, you actually see the very same A-Wing being caught up in the destruction of a nearby X-Wing, which resulted in the A-Wing going into the very same spin!

Sure I'm talking to a brick wall here, so if you want to believe that Rabel pilots are all a bunch of crazed Kamakazes, then just go straight ahead with your delusions.

 

I agree. I don't think Avrid "Green Leader" Crynad (I mispelled his name, I know.) wanted to kamikaze into the bridge of the Executor. I just hope he was posthumanously awarded the Rebellion's equelizate to the Congressional Medal of Honor for that.

 

The act of that pilot was NOT cowardly. Any fighter pilot, in the middle of a raging battle and finding his or her craft damaged and hurtling out of control, is going to crash in a place where they can do the most damage to the enemy and give their comrades who are still alive that much more of a chance at winning.

That pilot who rammed the Executor bridge has one of the best death scenes in movies, in my opinion. It is filed away under "going out in a blaze of glory". We should all hope to die so well. And he was screaming a wordless war cry in defiance to the enemy, not screaming in pain or fear.

 

He didn't do it on purpose. Hence the term "out-of-control".

And the Executor was firing. Why would anyone think they weren't?

 

Because the Emperor ordered them not to.


Well, your hinus... looks like you've managed to keep me around a little while longer...

 

Darth_Howell_III posted on 3/15/05 6:28pm

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Because the Emperor ordered them not to.


Well, your hinus... looks like you've managed to keep me around a little while longer...
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Again Howell, if you would watch the DVD you'd see that the Executor was firing. All the Star Destroyers started firing once the Rebel Fleet attacked them directly.

 

I agree. The destroyers were fighting back. If I were a Star Destroyer captain, I'd order all guns fire at will when I was shot at. I figure, even if the Emperor disproves of it and I survive the battle, the worse he can do is kill me. At least I was able to bring my men home after the battle (hopefully).

 

I think that popped out of the other side of the bridge and survived

 

JediMasterChiefYoda posted on 3/16/05 8:46pm

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I agree. The destroyers were fighting back. If I were a Star Destroyer captain, I'd order all guns fire at will when I was shot at. I figure, even if the Emperor disproves of it and I survive the battle, the worse he can do is kill me. At least I was able to bring my men home after the battle (hopefully).
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And Palpatine didn't order his fleet to sit there and get shot at. He ordered his fleet to prevent the Rebel Fleet from escaping.

If they didn't have clearance to fire, then how were they suppossed to keep the Rebels there Howell, a stern warning?

Petit: "Stop or we'll say stop again!"

 

There's something I always wondered about this scene. Where exactly was the A-Wing when it got shot and lost control? Was it over the DS II or another Star Destroyer?

 

There's something I always wondered about this scene. Where exactly was the A-Wing when it got shot and lost control? Was it over the DS II or another Star Destroyer?

It and the X-Wing were flying low over the dorsal city scape forward of the command tower of Executor.

 

However, he never got a chance to confirm the order as an A-Wing came crasing through the bridge at that very moment.
Exactly, the firepower could not be intensified if the order does not get to the gunners.

 

Maybe they weren't firing because the gunners were busy intensifying the lasers by yelling "Come on, eye of the tiger, man! Eye of the tiger!" into the cannon.

 

I like to think that the A-wing pilot was on a kamakize run into the bridge. Like it was pointed out, the scream was a scream of defiance, not a scream of being out of control. And either way, isn't it more heroic to crash into the Executor's bridge, taking down the entire ship, than it is to spin out of control and accidentally crash into the bridge. Lets leave the so-called disillusion in place, if for no better reason than to be proud of the actions of the A-wing pilot.

And the spinning he was doing was in an attempt to evade the turbo lasers. Just like what Anakin says in Phantom Menace, "I'll try spinning, thats a good trick."

 

It's obvious that he was not on a kamikaze run. If you watch the scene again you notice that right before he spins he is hit by a laser (the same laser that is ordered to be intensified).

From my knowledge of space sim games, perimeter firepower has to do with how much firepower and in which direction it's in (duh, lol). So by intensifying it FORWARD, all of the cannons would fire upon the A-Wing before it hit.