What happend to Nomi and Vima Sunrider??

Ok, I know that on Wikipedia its mentioned that Vima was supposed to be used in KOTOR, however that was drop due to trademark issues. But other than that I haven't found any mentioning of the things she did as a Jedi, and neither what happend to Nomi after de death of Ulic.

So does anyone else knows what happened to them(and their offsprings if any) and what where their acomplisments as Jedi after Ulic's death??

 

Nomi became a great Jedi and taught many apprentices.

Clone Wars era Jedi Vima-Da-Boda was a descendent.

 

Do you know in which comic's or books its mentioned?

Also have we seen any more stories of Nomi or Vima after the sith war?

 

No, there haven't been any more stories of Nomi or Vima after "Redemption".

Nomi gets mentioned by Jolee Bindo in the first KotOR game, but it doesn't shed any more light on her ultimate fate.

It's kind of funny really, because Nomi and/or Vima should almost certainly have been members of the "Jedi Council" by then. Unless they met an untimely fate. KotOR would really have been that much more awesome if Bastila -had- been Vima.

Heck, we don't know what ultimately happened to Master Thon, either....

 

they were likely killed by darth revan or they died on katarr

 

They wouldn't have been able to Vima or Nomi into the game. They have long hair, and hair is very hard computer animate. That's why Binks was furless. Shan had limited ponytail movement, as you saw---squawks, Juhani was "flat" furred if you unclothed her. I'm guessing the girls would have had a drastic hair cut or reshaped to accommodate the hardware constraints.

 

The trademark issue is with Jeep. They have some kind of accessory named Sunrider and, in my opinion, overreacted when they found out there were characters named Sunrider.

So they can't use them anymore. Apparently, the mentioning of Nomi by Jolee was an "oversight".

I hate it. I think Jeep should drop it, seriously. I've wanted to find out more about Nomi and Vima ever since the Essential Guide to Characters came out.

 

Was the Jeep thing ever confirmed by somebody within LFL, or is it just a fan explanation?

EDIT: Posted the question over at the TOS VIP thread. Hopefully that will clear this up...

 

To be honest, Vima's hair in "Redemption" wasn't particularly any longer than Bastila's. Actually probably even shorter if Bastila undid her ponytail.

Besides, it's not inconceivable that Vima or Nomi could have gotten a haircut in 40 years.

The characters are what's important, not so much their hairstyles. Except Leia's Cinn-a-buns.

 

Not exactly sure, although the first mention of it I can find from the links off Wookieepedia points to an old thread right in this forum.

Scroll down to Leto II's post

And I'd answer more except I just got batteries for my gamepad to play TIE Fighter for the first time in 10 years. Consider me unavailable.

 

Bah, who would rather buy a game where you have some 44-year-old Jedi Master following you around instead of a hot twenty-ish Padawan babe with a British accent?

 

IMO its an overreaction since its only known by we the SW fans, and Jeep shouldn't needed to be such a brat and allow it. Still in the case of Vima and even Nomi, she clould have been married and then change the last name and problem solved no more sunrider, I guess it would have been a good compromise, at least we would know more about them, and it would have been like the Leia Organa to Leia Solo.

Hell I love them and I still want to know more about them. Specially since Masther Thon mentions that Vilma will be a greater Jedi than Nomi

 

Research time:

Sunrider Corporation, with a trademark on design and the name; has something to do with air/water purification. Filed April '06, but not yet registered.

Sunrider Corporation, dealing with cosmetics and other such stuff. Registered May '96.

Sunrider cartops from Bestop, Inc. Registered February '05. This is the one all the fuss seems to be about, for some reason.


So there are multiple trademarks on Sunrider. But I still don't see why somebody can't name a fictional character "Sunrider" when that character has nothing to do with the product and was created before the trademark was registered. Its like objecting to an author calling a character "Ford."

 

Yeah its so absurd that I can't see why it would be an issue, its as if Harrison Ford would be sued by having Ford as his last name.

Something else that also bothers me is that I can't find the character description of any Sunrider in SW databank

 

And Sue's reply:


I remember there being an issue with "sunrider" at some point.... but it wouldn't concern the novels unless we used it in a cover title. I believe it effected our merchandise the most, with the packaging. I really can't recall what the exact trademark issue was though.

 

Chris Avellone, the KOTOR II designer, had once confirmed on the Obsidian forums that Nomi and Vima didn't appear in KOTORs because of legal issues.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Quote:Chris_Avellone (has links to the forum posts)

A good idea for Vima, but Nomi was already married to Andur Sunrider, although it is unknown who picked whose surname (I think).

 

For someone who's been praised by every Jedi and their little pet(I can only imagine how the doctors were during her birth), Vima has certainly received way too little coverage.

 

Avellone's quote only mentions vague legal troubles. Its possible that they were between Dark Horse and LucasArts, rather than with an ouside company. I remember WEG got in trouble for putting the Bungo & Rusti comic in an Adventure Journal because DHC had the sole rights for Star Wars comics---perhaps DHC was overly protective of their Sunrider babes too.

 

But even if Nomi had already married Andur she was a widow(Vima was jusr a baby) for a long time before Vima became a Jedi, so I would not see any issue with her getting married again.

My point exactly, since they where portarit as one of the greatest Jedi's ever, why we do not get more of them

Even, so I still wonder why DHC has not done anything with them yet, for what I know the Dark Lord of the Sith series is hard to get by and I do not believe it was so low on sales, for them not to contunie with the formula.

 

KotOR would really have been that much more awesome if Bastila -had- been Vima.

Not possible. In KOTOR we see Bastila's mother - Helena. She is not Nomi Sunrider.

There are no informations on Nomi or Vima because LFL lost the rights on the name of Sunrider because of the Jeep. IMO, they either died in the Great Hunt, Mandalorian wars or during the destruction of Katarr.

 

Not "lost the rights," as such -- LFL still hold the rights to the name. They're still reprinting all the old Tales of the Jedi material without any alterations to the content; it's simply that it's still under discussion, or has been for some time, and without much forward progress.

Peroral use is also acceptable under current copyright statute, as we saw with the first KotOR game and Jolee's reminiscences, but Lucasfilm are evidently still tetchy on various in-print circumstances at the moment. The character is the character, and I see them making one or two minor cosmetic alterations, rather than scrapping the whole gorilla outright. Nomi (or Vima) remarrying -- as was suggested above -- would certainly be one workaround they could use.

 

A bit more TOS discussion after Sue's answer that w_k posted:

 

If this is the case then why there hasn't been published any new stories of Nomi and Vima, any ideas??

 

Mostly due to what's been mentioned above -- they could do so, but either would still face injunctions from the Jeep Corporation, or not, but they're unwilling to risk it. Now, this of course wouldn't rule out ever using Nomi and Vima sans the "Sunrider," but creatively you'd be up a major tree.




(...Though I rather suspect Excellence would LOVE it.)

 

how can the Sunrider cartop be the one all the fuss is about when it was only registered in '05? Kotor was released in '03. I smell a rat. Sue's reply to you seemed rather... vague too.