What if Luke actually WAS frozen in carbonite?

Do you think Vader and the emperor would have more control over converting him to the dark side if he was frozen? What might have happened here? Or would they just leave him frozen? Thoughts?

 

I believe he would have been taken back to Coruscant and brought before the Emperor, possibly with Vader not even there. Luke would have converted or died.

I think Yoda and Obi Wan feared his capture and an audience with the Emperor rather than just a confrontation with Vader.

 

It was only to transport him.

 

I agree with Falcon, in that Skywalker wouldn't of been more vulnerable to the DS while frozen. Upon arrival, there'd be no escape from the Emperor except death. No chance of rescue, no chance of escape, only death or corruption awaited him.

 

Interesting replies. Very possible too. Could Luke have busted out of there with the force maybe?

 

I think had he been frozen and he would have been transported to the Emperor. There, it would have been just like ROTJ except that Luke is not as experienced as he is in ROTJ. Therfore, Vader would have killed Luke and remained as Sidious' apprentice.

 

Upon arrival he most likely would have been tortured until he gave into his hate, . . .

 

^But you guys don't think Leia, Han, Lando and the Alliance would mount a rescue operation to get Luke back? I'm sure they would!

 

Yeah, a rescue operation either on the Executor or Coruscant. Big chances of that working.

 

The problem with a rescue operation is, what are the chances of pulling it off on Coruscant, right out from under Palpatine and Vader?

That doesn't even raise the question of, would Skywalker even want to leave. By the time the operation was initiated, Skywalker could already of been turned to the Dark Side and serving his new master.

 

LEIA: Han, Luke's been captured!
HAN: They got the kid?
CHEWIE: *roars*
LEIA: Spy information tells us that he's being taken into Coruscant.
LANDO: Coruscant? But that's in the center of the Galaxy!
HAN: This is your fault, Lando! You're on thin ice here, buddy.
LANDO: I told you, I did all I could do.
LEIA: Hmmm, it appears as though we COULD mount a rescue mission.
HAN: What do you think they're gonna do with the kid once they've got him there?
LEIA: I dunno, Luke's been training in the Force, so chances are they're taking him to the Imperial Palace, swarming with Stormtroopers, and the most elite and deadly assassins the Galaxy has ever seen. To be captured there means not only execution, but slow brutal torture beyond the likes anyone has ever seen or felt. Pain beyond extreme, where Hell seems like a safer place than in their clutches. After they brutalize your body and mind, they burn off your..ahem...personal property...before ripping out your eyes and pouring acid into the sockets. Then they begin to amputate your limbs...they start out slowly. First your thumbs, then your middle and index fingers. Then your feet. Then your forearms, finally they lop off the what remains of your limbs until you're nothing but a cauterized lump of flesh. Seeing that as all you have, they begin to tear the flesh off your very muscle...slowly...methodically...the whole time keeping you on life support machines so advanced they rival those of Vader's. You're kept alive artifically the entire time, not allowing your dearest wish for the eternal bliss of death to come to you...no, because then they electrocute you. Then they finally do you away by disconnecting the machines and allowing your own pain to kill you.
HAN: That if we're caught infiltrating the palace?
LEIA: Ummm...yeah...
HAN: You know, I never really liked Luke anyway.
LEIA: Yeah...Yeah...YEAH...good riddance to him! Who needs him? He was a bad kisser anyway!
HAN: Tell me about it!
LEIA: What?
HAN: Huh?

 

Good one, Loco!

 

Vader have him hung in his chamber on the Executor until the Emperor arrived on DS2. Then Luke would be transported there where the Emperor would thaw out the Jedi.

Or if Luke went to Coruscant the rebels could easily infiltrate the Empire and its defenses and mount a rescue.

 

When Leia thawed him out and kissed him, she would have to qualify "Someone who loves you..."

by adding "...like a brother."

 

When Luke went to Cloud City, his Jedi training was not complete. Compared to Vader and the Emperor, he was mediocre at best. Given the condition he would have been in when released from the carbonite, he would have been in no position to fight back. He would have either turned or been killed.

 

WOW loco.....Star Wars meets Evil Dead!!!!!!!!!

 

Vader said "Perhaps you are not as strong as the Emperor thought" when he activated the carbon freezer, thinking Luke was trapped. If he were captured at this point he wouldn't have been tough enough to withstand the power of both Sithlords.

Luke would have been thawed out in the presence of the Emperor and, with both his blinding hatred for Vader and the powers of the Emperor, would have been either turned to the Darkside or killed.

It took time after his defeat and escape from Bespin for Luke to develop the strength he needed to face Vader again.

 

Dont forget at the point of the Lightsaber Duel they'd already frozen Han so he would be out of the equation.

If DV had frozen Luke he would have taken him straight to the Emperor. I dont know how much of the Han rescue plan Luke came up with but there would have been no Jedi or Lightsaber at the Sarlacc battle to change the odds, plus no luke no dead rancor so its possible Han, Leia, Chewie & Lando would have been Rancor bait. Would Leia have used the Rebel Alliance to bust Han out instead? Luke would probably have been tortured once he was released from the Carbonite or perhaps the Emperor would have kept him frozen like Jabba did with Han and have him as a trophy. I can imagine the Emperor have more of a sick twisted mind than Jabba.

 

IMHO...

If Vader had managed to carbonise Luke, I think that he would have thawed Luke out himself on the Executioner, as soon as he was safely out of range for any Rebel rescue missions. With Luke then isolated as his prisoner, he would have had more time to work on turning him over to the dark side personally, without the Emperor?s interference...both for the purposes of grooming him as his own apprentice and out of some lingering sense of attachment towards his son. Cut off from his rebel friends, I don?t think that it would have taken Vader long to turn Luke.

Plus, as Lord Vagas said, without Luke it is possible that Leia, Chewie, Lando and the druids would have died trying to save Han, so a time-line where Luke gets carbonised would be pretty grim in my opinion.

 

carbonised?

I always wondered what would happen if Luke was carbinated.

I mean, would Vader burp?

 

Vader should have just had Luke captured by a squad of stormtroopers as soon as he landed at Bespin and then escorted back to the Executor.

If Vader wanted to try and convert him to the darkside himself he could have tried it then while onboard the Super Star Destroyer.

I imagine the Emperor would have criticised Vader afterwards for the way he handled the situation at Bespin.

 

Luke would have turned to the dark side of the Force and wouldn't have been able to escape the Emperor's grasp. The last hope would have been Leia.

 

It's funny you say "if he was frozen" when the reality is he was frozen back on Hoth. The only problem was Vader couldn't get to Luke at that time, which foiled the Emporer's plan for a Sith styled banquet, if there is such a word. I think Palpatine learned a hard lesson that day - one that won't soon be forgotten, or would have remembered if he lived long enough to ponder it. That was Palpatine's shortcoming and Vader's ultimate quality - forseeing a future with horse blinds on. It's all about options.

 

Trouble is that Palpatine isn't much of a forward thinker when he is close to what he wants. It blinds him completely from evrything else. His overconfidence is his weakness.

But here's what would have happened IMHO if Luke was frozen in carbonite:
Vader and Palps would have manipulated him easy to the dark side, not just because of his weakened state but because he didn't know at the time Vader was his father.
It would have been easy for Vader to convince him that Obi-Wan had been manipulating him for his own gains by concealing the information.
As for Leia/Han/Lando rescuing him, they would have had to get Han out of carbonite first (perhaps the Alliance, perhaps an old firend of Lando's/Leia's) before they could have a chance at saving Luke. IMHO Palps and Vader would have used Luke against the Alliance to destroy it from within.
Continuing from this, Ben would have appeared to Leia, tell her what's happened and who she is. She then would have turned Luke from the dark side (perhaps Ben tells her how to use the Force a little bit) and together would have reached Anakin.

Somehow, despite how the ending of ROTJ is my fave scene in SW yet, this makes a pretty good alternative.






BTW, I am pursuing an fan fict along these lines at the moment. Watch the fan fic saga forum if you are interested in reading it, it covers much of what i've mentioned above.