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What is OT Darth Vader Scared Of?

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  1. darthvaderv

    darthvaderv Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Hope this is the right place I kinda guess it doesn't fit with SWC?

    I would say he is wary of Palpatine, [face_worried] but almost scared of Tatooine:_| . What does everyone else think?
    Tarkin?
    The Death Star?
    Obi-Wan?
    Cheating death?
    Not scared of anything?

     
  2. dude4c

    dude4c Jedi Youngling star 3

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    well i wouldn't go as far to say he's scared, but from TESB on i think he is in conflict with his decision to turn. what makes you think he's scared of anything.
     
  3. s0Lstar18

    s0Lstar18 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Vader is scared of facing the decisions he made in the PT.
     
  4. dude4c

    dude4c Jedi Youngling star 3

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    if he was scared he wouldn't be able to throw old palps down the shaft. vader is scared of nothing. however he does have issues, and is in conflict with his prior decisions.
     
  5. darthvaderv

    darthvaderv Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Almost scared I put in the original post. He is fearless, does his own dirty work as a bad guy and never one to hide behind people. I think the one thing he may fear is Tatooine, as it would bring back too many memories of his Mother.
     
  6. dude4c

    dude4c Jedi Youngling star 3

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    yoda saw early on that anakin had much fear in him. but that was fear of loss. it is possible that after he indeed loss everything that he had nothing to fear. the OT vader has long forgot his mother and has no fear of his home planet.
    by the time of ANH 20 years had passed, and that would be 23 -24 years since his mother died. those tears and fears are all dried up.

    i guess you could make an argument that Vader is afraid that his son will be killed by the emperor.
     
  7. darthvaderv

    darthvaderv Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Yeah you have a good point I agree. Vader will obviously bury those feeling's deep down, but will they re-surface? I think as cold hearted as Vader is, if he was to visit Tatooine a memory may arise that he wouldn't want coming up.

    Moreover maybe Vader was scared just for a second of choosing the Dark or light side while Luke was being zapped by Palps. He obviously was conflicted, and let's face it he made a brave choice, possibly knowing that he will sacrifice himself .
     
  8. dude4c

    dude4c Jedi Youngling star 3

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    you also have an interesting point. it was brought up in another thread as to why Vader didn't go down to tatooine himself to retrive the stolen plans from R2. was it fear of flooding memories? i think it was because he took joy in interigating the crew for answers. but it is interesting to think that even at that point in time a little anakin came out.
     
  9. SithStarSlayer

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    Vader feared only for his health in the OT.

    Because of his uncontrollable rage, the two places he had to avoid were Naboo and Tatooine.

    OT Vader fears nothing else.
    Not even death...




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    I must admit my source gfor this is in fact EU. The Novel, Dark Lord, spells this out nicely.
     
  10. Lord_Pilaf

    Lord_Pilaf Jedi Youngling star 1

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    He was probably scared of lava, if I had my quess. He never was near any in the OT.
     
  11. Lars_Muul

    Lars_Muul Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Well, who would be near lava if they didn't have to?



    Lava - hot stuff
    /LM
     
  12. Darthdias

    Darthdias Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I don't know how acurate this is, but I've read an earlier draft of ESB that contained all the major events and scenes from the finished movie but with slightly different dialogue from the aired version at places, for instance in the Emperor-Vader holo chatt, the Emperor asks Vader to rise.

    My point is however that the script makes a special mention of the fact that Vader keeps staring at his feet during the whole conversation because he is so afraid of the Emperor that he doesn't dare to look him in the eyes. Does Vader look the Emperor in the eyes in the finished movie? I don't remember. It would seem that Vader is at least to an extent afraid of the Emperor. But he probably isn't afraid of anyone els, and certainly not Tarkin.
     
  13. LORDVIGILANCE

    LORDVIGILANCE Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Darth Vader is scared of one and only one thing....Tarkin bringing out the leash!

    But seriously, Darth Vader was scared of facing his past. I think think that he knows that he has not completely purged the last remnants of Anakin Skywalker and realizes that if he sets foot on Naboo or Tatooine those feelings will reemerge and the fragile emotional boundaries he has set up will come crashing down. Even more than two decades later.
     
  14. SithStarSlayer

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    You are correct. Not to mention the fact that his rage would cause him to shake so violently that he would rupture the ventilation tubes connected to his lungs.[face_thinking]
     
  15. jsberry

    jsberry Jedi Youngling

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    "I hate lava. It is hot, and it gets everywhere."
     
  16. Master_Starwalker

    Master_Starwalker Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    As has been said, the only thing that Vader fears is Anakin. It's also the true target of all of his anger and hate though that was a conclusion partially influenced by the Tales comic where he killed Maul by impaling himself.
     
  17. Jedi_Master_Cazz

    Jedi_Master_Cazz Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I think, at the point of ANH, he was, not scared, but unnerved of Tatooine and Naboo. I reckon he was suspisios of Leia. I think he was afraid that Palpatine would terminate Luke. Then, in ESB, he was scared of Luke's death.

    When he went down to Endor, he didn't want to acknowlege what he knew could happen on the Death Star. But i know, he is terrified of Palpy's BBQ's.

    He was scared to the point of maddness when he saw Luke get fried. He was scared Luke would die. His whole life, up untill he feared Luke's death, he had feared his own. He knew he would die. And he did not fight it, like he always had...

    Now, on a lighter note, there is something that i know has scard him beyond the point of maddness, told me himself he did...bed bugs. He hates them, can't stand the blood-sucking little blighters! Thats why he doesn't sleep in a bed!!!:D

    Cheers_Cazza@};-
     
  18. darthvaderv

    darthvaderv Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Thanks for the responses :D.

    So far it seems that the majority are saying that Vader is not really scared by anything other then the demons that he may or may not have.

    A summary so far of responses.

    Tatooine 2
    Naboo
    PT Decisons
    Not scared
    Lava
    Palpatine
    Facing his past
    Anakin

     
  19. ComicDiva

    ComicDiva Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I have it on good authority that he was scared of clowns. And I don't blame him... they can be scary mo@#$%@#ers.
     
  20. SithStarSlayer

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    Allow me to clarify "Vader's Fear Of Naboo and Tatooine". He fears those planets because he knows that if he ever steps foot on either of them he runs the risk of "re-awakening Anakin". He fears that, because he knows that part of him cannot handle the emotional burden of facing the truth...

    Naboo or Tatooine would have destroyed Vader from the inside, out.

    Dark Lord comments on how: Vader longs for the memories of Anakin to fade...
     
  21. Sinjin_Sith

    Sinjin_Sith Jedi Youngling star 1

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    He was afraid of losing his son.

    Also of the Emperor.

    I'd also say he was ashamed of what his actions (pre suit) brought about in the galaxy. And that's a fear of sorts....

    He's afraid that he has wasted his life and his abilities, and he's afraid that he can't change that now. Hence he strives for further power... to prove to himself that his decisions weren't just a dead end.
     
  22. s0Lstar18

    s0Lstar18 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I read the excellent book too but that's a interesting statement you made, I would ask if you could go into that alittle more b/c in Dark Lord he damn near makes the Jedi Temple collapse when he goes in there and is so full of rage,he's about kill himself with it...

    This is sad I wish he never turned...:_|
     
  23. DeadDooku

    DeadDooku Jedi Youngling star 2

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    a boy never forgets his mother
     
  24. SithStarSlayer

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    I am unable to find the quote regarding Tatooine and Naboo, I hope these help...


    Page 56:
    "Anakin is dead, Vader told himself."


    Page 135:
    "Vader's real weaknesses were psycological rather than physical, and for Vader to overcom them he would need to be driven deeper into himself, to confront all his choices and his disappointments."


    Pages 313,314:
    "Standing at the forward viewports, he scanned the stars with his reconstructed eyes.
    He had Guardianship of all of this, or at least joint custody of it. The Jedi no longer mattered; they were no different from others who would interfere with his and Sidious's realm. Their mission was to maintain order, so that the Dark Side could reign supreme.
    Anakin was gone; a memory so deeply buried he might have dreamed rather than lived it. The Force as Anakin knew it was interred with him, and inseparable from him.
    Just as Sidious had promised, he was now married to the Order of the Sith, and needed no other companion than the Dark Side of the Force. He embraced all that he had done to bring balance to the Force, by dismantling the corrupt Republic and toppling the Jedi, and he reveled in his power. It could all be his, anything he wished. He needed only the determination to take it, at whatever cost to those who stood in his way."


    I will re-read it this weekend and post the quote on Monday...
     
  25. s0Lstar18

    s0Lstar18 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Yeah I read the Book, thanks for those quotes I just wanted to know how you think Vader would've destroyed himself from the inside out if he stepped foot on Naboo or Tatooine,I thought that theory was interesting.
     
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