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What is the Canon fate of Atris?? (KOTOR 2 Spoilers)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Sinrebirth , Jan 28, 2006.

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  1. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Well, its more or less the question in the title.

    Did the Exile kill her,

    Abandon her to the Sith holocrons,

    Or just generally leave her be???

    I mean, we have a major Sith here thats just, well, vanished...

    Yes, she was redeemed and all, but she was sooooo under the influence of those holocrons...

    I mean, I couldn't get her to answer all my questions.

    "Malachor V is a beacon" Thats all I got.
     
  2. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    The implication is that she was probably redeemed by the Exile.

    The Sith Holocrons I imagine were removed from her grip.

    Since the Exile is her love/hero, no doubt his defeating her set her on the right path.

    The Jedi being restored also probably kept her under a strong eye.

    I don't think she was much of a threat anyway.

    She just was seriously warped by the whole "Death of everyone" thing
     
  3. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    It'll be good to see her in KOTOR III, I hope.

    Warped by alot, I think. The death of her ideal of a Pure Jedi Order, love for the Exile, death of the Order in general...

    She organised Katarr, and got the Jedi killed....

    She organised the Battle of Telos, and almost destroyed the planet....

    Manipulated her servants and caused their death...

    The way she went, I don't think she'll recover quickly, really.
     
  4. Lord_Hydronium

    Lord_Hydronium Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I really hope it was abandoning her to the Holocrons. I really don't like Atris (as a person; as a character, she's great), so having her killed by the very things she arrogantly assumed she could master just seems like the most poetic end. [face_devil]

    And when I play dark side, I never kill her directly. Leaving her to die at their hands just strikes me as so much more evil and fitting. "I shall leave you here to these holocrons. They are Sith - and they do not abide failure." Kreia would be proud.
     
  5. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    I don't remember what I did. As a light male, I think you end up killing her, don't you?

    Her "sudden" acceptance of the night side was total bullcrap, as was the whole skeletal game.
     
  6. Lord_Hydronium

    Lord_Hydronium Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    It wasn't sudden, that was the whole point. She had been following a dark path for a long time, simply hiding it from herself by pretending she was following the Jedi code to a T.
     
  7. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    Oh, I understood the underlining gist . . . but game-wise, it can look sudden. Still, the chutzpa of Kreia walking right up and so close to Scion's back at the end almost makes up for the farce that hardly any of the 100 Dark Jedi and Sith Lords used the night side on me, just wacking blades. It's like he game up, knowing he'd met his match. He the brawn, she the brain, together the whole.
     
  8. Lord_Hydronium

    Lord_Hydronium Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I know this is part of your whole linguistic quirk, like calling every other character by their actor's name, but dagnabbit, it's "dark side". :p
     
  9. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    I think it's redundantly childish when books, comics, movies and games keep saying dark side of the Force. As though we might get confused they are saying dark side of the moon. Dark side this, dark side that. So I'm calling it the night side too for more variation. [face_batting]

    Pragmatically, there's no law saying it must only be called dark side. SW needs to broaden its terminology. Shatterpoint too: I saw Jadthu-class lander almost every time, as though you couldn't say the Jadthu or lander. There was no other lander being told.

    Indeed, high class Imperials will call some red wine rubies to appear sophisticated; Isard's Revenge.
     
  10. SlackJawedJedi

    SlackJawedJedi Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Y'know, I don't really see what the holocrons are going to do to her, if anything... sure, they can be all sinister and stuff, and tell you all sorts of horrible things (Lovecraftian-style madness? one can only hope!) but the holocron - at least as far as I understand it - is a respository of knowledge... not exactly the most threatening device. A holographic, somewhat force-y book. Ooo -er. That'll show her.
     
  11. Fist_of_Mandalore

    Fist_of_Mandalore Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Oh, the excellence( ;) ) of that would be easy to see. Now, if only she would be come Darth Sogthoth ;)
     
  12. Ive_Got_Two_Legs

    Ive_Got_Two_Legs Jedi Youngling star 4

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    To be honest, I never really understood what happened in the ending of KOTOR II.

    So Goto wouldn't let the Exile set off the MSG, but he does it anyways?

    So the Ebon Hawk was destroyed, but the Exile flies off in it at the end?

    So the Exile decided to save his friends, by abandoning them on a planet he's about to destroy, leaving them with no transport?
     
  13. KissMeImARebel

    KissMeImARebel Force Ghost star 5

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    Lord_Hyrdonium: Leaving her to die at their hands just strikes me as so much more evil and fitting. "I shall leave you here to these holocrons. They are Sith - and they do not abide failure." Kreia would be proud.

    ^^^=D= Kreia so would!

    Considering lightside endings are usually considered as the "canon ending", I'm going to assume that the Exile let Atris go.

    Ive_Got_Two_Legs: So Goto wouldn't let the Exile set off the MSG, but he does it anyways?
    ^^^Okay I'm glad I didn't miss something there, because that never made any sense to me either.
     
  14. EduardoBlake

    EduardoBlake Jedi Youngling star 1

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    There was supposed to be more to it, but the game was rushed, and the related content was cut. The resolution of the GO-TO/Remote scene was related to the HK factory.

    A little about it from the game files here:
    http://tubertarian.com/kotor2dialog/12.php

    Just assume that the Remote managed to override whatever GO-TO installed in it when he stunned/destroyed him on board the Hawk.

    As to the party on Malachor, the only one shown to be there was Mira if you had her in her party, and it can be presummed she escaped Malachor using whatever means of transport Hanharr used to get there.

    The only other one that was confirmed in Malachor was T3, who was onboard the Hawk and somehow managed to repair it to get you out of Malachor and into the Uhknown Regions. Remember he is the only one that knows exactly where Revan went and had access to the locked navicomputer.

    All the rest of the party can be presummed to have been left behind at Telos.

    As to Atris, yes, surely left alive by a Lightside Exile. As to what the Holocrons could do to her, seems that she was too influenced by them, so probably drive her to madness/suicide/etc,
     
  15. Fist_of_Mandalore

    Fist_of_Mandalore Jedi Padawan star 4

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    As a sidenote, how does one commit suicide with a lightsaber? I mean, slashing the wrists wouldn't work for obvious reasons...
     
  16. EduardoBlake

    EduardoBlake Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Pointing it to the head and turning it on?
     
  17. Fist_of_Mandalore

    Fist_of_Mandalore Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Well, now I'll know that jedi+emo=not humorous :( And it seemed liek such a good combination.
     
  18. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I assume what Kreia learnt from the Exile was important enough that Sion would let her live long enough to explain, and manipulate. I mean, Sion's hatred became personified against the Exile with a little work, perhaps.
     
  19. Havet_Storm

    Havet_Storm Jedi Master star 3

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    Atton and the others attack Kreia in the cut sequences, not sure which ines die or survive.
     
  20. masterskywalker

    masterskywalker Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    "The implication is that she was probably redeemed by the Exile."

    Nu-uh. She got her just deserts at the hands of her precious Sith Holocrons. :D [face_devil]

    There was no possibility of Atris being redeemed in-game.
     
  21. Havac

    Havac Former Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I'm pretty sure I've done it.[face_thinking]
     
  22. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    I think Atris didn't really deserve to be killed.

    She's hardly done as bad a thing as Revan or Vader or Ulic.

    She was a bit of a ****. So what?
     
  23. Ive_Got_Two_Legs

    Ive_Got_Two_Legs Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Yeah, so did I.
     
  24. Zebra3

    Zebra3 Jedi Master star 5

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    I have too. And considering that it's the Light Side version of the game that's cannon, it's likely that the official fate of Atris is one where the Exile somehow redeems her.
     
  25. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Well, she did secretly plan to lure Nihilus to Katarr, and got all the Jedi killed, and she did almost destroy Telos, and discarded the lives of her Handmaidens as if they were putty....

    I'd say she was quite the pain.
     
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