What is the difference between a Dark Jedi and a Sith?

Okay so we know from the movies that Sith can use force lightning, force choke and use red lightsabers.

From what I know of the EU, Dark Jedi can use force lightning, force choke and use pretty much any colour lightsaber they want.

Is there more to it than that? Lightsaber colour? I would imagine that the sith teachings are more different - its followers learning skills that the Jedi do not know of or understand, whereas a Dark jedi is simply someone who was once a good Jedi who went bad.

Please explain it to me if you can!

 

A Sith is one who follows the teachings of the Sith. A Dark Jedi is one who was once a follower of Jedi teachings, and has fallen to the Dark Side. Darth Vader is both a Sith and a Dark Jedi, and Palpatine?s knowledge of the Jedi philosophies makes him effectively the equivalent of a Dark Jedi Master in addition to being a Sith.

Just because someone is a Sith does not mean that they are a Dark Jedi, and vice-versa. Dark Jedi is roughly equivalent to ?Fallen Paladin?, one who once followed an order of good but has fallen, while Sith is roughly equivalent to ?Evil Paladin?, one who follows an order of evil.

 

Sith can be dark jedi, but most dark jedi are not sith.

 

Think of it as a matter of relative comparison.

If a Dark Jedi is some guy trying to get 11 items by the "10 items or less" line, then a Sith is the satan-worshipping, mass-murderering assassin out there killing people to become more powerful.

Dark Jedi tell themselves they think they know what it means to be bad.

Sith are bad.

 

If a Dark Jedi is some guy trying to get 11 items by the "10 items or less" line, then a Sith is the satan-worshipping, mass-murderering assassin out there killing people to become more powerful.

I would say that a Lost Jedi is the one trying to sneak 11 items by the ?10 items or less? line, someone who isn?t content to play by the rules but isn?t necessarily evil. The Dark Jedi is some guy who sees that the person ahead of him in the ?10 items or less? line has 11 items, so he kills him. The Sith is the guy who sacrifices everyone in the store on a dark altar in the hope of gaining ultimate power.


Just my opinion.

 

Alright, I'll stand by that example as well.

The Dark Jedi squeezes the Charmin.
The Sith puts the palatte of charmin in a hydraulic press.

 

Ya, and if it was a dark jedi like Jerec, he would sacrifice the people on an alter for ultimate power as well.

 

I go with Snow's description. And Valiento, Jerec was a Sith wannabe, which is why he would have sacrificed people on an altar for absolute power, and not achieve what he wanted, for he wasn't Sith.

 

Here is my opinion:
The Jedi are a group of force users who have banded together under a common cause(the Jedi Code) and common teachings. You can still be a force user and good guy, and not be a Jedi. For example the Witches of Dathomier.
On the other hand, the Dark Lords of the Sith are a group of Force users who have a comon goal and teachings, who use their powers for evil. You can be the Evilest S.O.B, and a powerful force user, and not be a Sith Lord. On Dathomier, again for example, they had Dark Sisters.


So I guess my answer to your question would be a Sith Lord is a force user who was trained to be A Sith Lord by another Sith Lord. and a Dark Jedi, by use of the term Jedi, would have to be a fallen Jedi. Some one who was trained by the Jedi,but renounced their teachings, and uses their Knowledge and Powers for Evil.

 

"I go with Snow's description. And Valiento, Jerec was a Sith wannabe, which is why he would have sacrificed people on an altar for absolute power, and not achieve what he wanted, for he wasn't Sith."


Jerec was actually more like a sith cultist/accolyte, going by the NEGTC, not a DLOTS though. He did nearly achieve absolute power with the valley of the jedi. Just that that pesky kyle katarn who chosen one of prophecy was around to stop him.

 

My two cents:
Sith are total bad-asses like Maul and the Emperor, who's sole interest and purpose is in using the Force for selfish and what is generally accepted as evil reasons.
Dark Jedi, in my opinion, are Jedi who are neither purely in the light nor purely in the dark (if you believe those are the only two options). For me, a Dark Jedi can be like Vader, who was once good and then mostly evil, or they can be a Jedi like Luke or Kyp who aren't purely in the Light.

 

A Sith is trained in Sith philosophy (if it can be called that) and taught in a different way than a Dark Jedi. They tend to have more control over their power and anger (according to Zahn anyway, in his comparison of Bpfasshi Dark Jedi to Darth Vader. Of course, bringing the reborn Emperor into the equation, the stability of the Sith is in question).

A Dark Jedi is one who fell from the Light Side, or one who was never good but was taught by a renegade as opposed to a Sith.

 

A Dark Jedi is an oxymoron.

There are only Jedi or Sith, nothing inbetween.

If there were Dark Jedi, then that would make a mockery of the balance of the Force, now wouldnt it

 

lol I knew someone would say something (otherwise I wouldnt have posted)

My point is that if its an oxymoron which is clearly is then, there is no such thing.

Its just my opinion (i was hoping you'd realise that and I wouldnt have to put it).

To me, if you're a Jedi and you turn to the Darkside then you become a Sith it is a simple as that. Because you're becoming the polar opposite of what you were before.
You're basically swapping one doctrine for another, it will be seen with Anakin that when you move to the Darkside you become fully immersed in that sides emotions and actions.

Its a nice idea to have "Dark Jedi" but really when you have it as clear cut as Jedi or Sith, not to mention the whole balance of the Force, then you dont really have inbetweens.

 

But there are "in-betweens". Kyle Katarn, for example, can be considered a "Gray Jedi", since he uses both Light Side and Dark Side Force disciplines. Jacen Solo also fits the "Gray Jedi" category, although more for philosophical reasons than physical/material actions.

Dark Jedi and Sith are not the same thing. There can only be two Sith at a time, at least after Darth Bane's time. Dark Jedi, on the other hand, have no such restrictions. All of Palpatine's Dark Side minions that were neither Vader nor Lumiya were Dark Jedi. Renegade/fallen Jedi, not trained by a Sith were also Dark Jedi.

 

I think its unfortunate that the EU has created this trap of making an Inbetween

And the whole Rule of two, please, that is as easy a pie. You can replace the Master/Apprentice with someone else you know.

I mean wont Sidious be doing that in EP3 with Anakin replacing Dooku?
And wasn't that what Dooku was trying to do by getting Obi-Wan on side?

But I did happen to mention its is MY opinion thank you. I respectfully disgree with you but what you gonna do.

 

But there are "in-betweens". Kyle Katarn, for example, can be considered a "Gray Jedi", since he uses both Light Side and Dark Side Force disciplines. Jacen Solo also fits the "Gray Jedi" category, although more for philosophical reasons than physical/material actions.

GAHHHHH! What are you trying to DO to me?!? <spittle flies from mouth>...

Kyle Katarn is NOT a Grey Jedi. The ability for INDIVIDUAL users to use Dark Side powers was a gameplay mechanic -- the STORY was that he used the powers and turned darkER but did not turn and turned away from the Dark Path in the end. NOT GREY.

Jacen is NOT a Grey Jedi. He is ON the Dark Path. He is using Dark Side powers without thinking it's wrong (Traitor, DW). He is killing without caring anymore (Traitor). He MAY turn away from the Dark Path in the future but he's well on his way to being a Dark Jedi. NOT GREY.

 

dp4m: To the best of my knowledge, Kyle never seemed to express any particular remorse for using Dark Side techniques in the games. Gameplay mechanic or not, he could very much use the Dark Side, and maintain his Light Side powers as well. (And hey, look at the title: Jedi Outcast. Hmm...)

Jacen Solo is very much a Gray Jedi. Nowhere do I find him acting like his sister, complaining about this and that and attacking people for the slightest things. He attacked Vergere because he was, well, very pissed off. It's understandable, as he is still only 19. He listens to what Vergere taught, that there is no such thing as the Light and Dark Side, so to him, he is the Gray Side.

But then, one's alignment in the Force is relative and a matter of opinion, is it not?

 

The2ndQuest:

Its all down to how you interpret what they say.

I don't see that they are alluding to an inbetween.

As I've said previously in this thread, it seems to me and its pretty conclusive that since the Force falls down 2 sides that there are only two ways you can go, either being a Jedi or a Sith.

Dark Jedi is an oxymoron, you are either one side of the line or the other, traits you have of the lightside or darkside do go over with you when you turn but you use them in accordance to your new doctrine (or maybe not at all), Jedi or Sith.

The movies, and most certainly the prequels, will prove my point. It will all be seen with Anakin.

I do tink is unfortunate that Lucas allowed books & games to include Dark Jedi(though I truely beieve he doesn't give a damn about the EU so go figure), it makes a mockery of the Star wars galaxy.

In my honest opinion.

 

A Sith is one who through codified disciplines, has learned to control their feelings of anger, fear, hatred, etc., as a tool to tap into the dark side of the Force. A Sith Lord is in control of his darker feelings.

So, were Vader and the Emperor trying to make Luke Sith, or just Dark?

 

they would have to make him nurture his anger and religh on it to give him strength before he would accept the sith learnings