What IS the Jedi's weakness?

In AOTC, Yoda says something to the effect of, "If they learn of our weakness, we're doomed." or something.

What the heck is their weakness? As far as I can tell, this concept is not expanded on later.

 

That they lost their powers to see the future and sense things in the present. "The shroud of the dark side."

That's what Yoda is talking about, after Obi-wan reports about Kamino.

But the Jedi's true weakness was also their arrogance, and detachment.

 

how bout a quote? "The shrowd of the dark side has fallen. Begun, this clone war has." -Yoda, AotC Or: "Darker, the coming story grows."-Yoda, Clone Wars Volume One

 

I think this is what he is talking about:




INTERIOR: JEDI TEMPLE, YODA'S QUARTERS - LATE AFTERNOON

YODA sits with MACE WINDU. between the two Jedi, a hologram
of OBI-WAN speaks.

OBI-WAN: (V.O.) I have successfully made contact with the
Prime Minister of Kamino. They are using a bounty hunter
named Jango Fett to create a clone army. I have a strong
feeling that this bounty hunter is the assassin we're
looking for.

MACE WINDU: Do you think these cloners are involved in the
plot to assassinate Senator Amidala?

OBI-WAN: (V.O.) No, Master. There appears to be no motive.

YODA: Do not assume anything, Obi-Wan. Clear, your mind
must be if you are to discover the real villains behind the
plot.

OBI-WAN: (V.O.) Yes, Master. They say a Master Sifo-Dyas
placed the order for a clone army at the request of the
Senate almost ten years ago. I was under the impression he
was killed before that. Did the Council ever authorize the
creation of a clone army?

MACE WINDU: No. Whoever placed that order did not have the
authorization of the Jedi Council.

YODA: Bring him here. Question him, we will.

OBI-WAN: (V.O.) Yes, Master. I will report back when I have
him.

The hologram of OBI-WAN fades.

YODA: Blind we are, if creation of this clone army we could
not see.

MACE WINDU: I think it is time to inform the Senate that
our ability to use the Force has diminished.

YODA: Only the Dark Lords of the Sith know of our weakness.
If informed the Senate is, multiply our adversaries will.

 

ya! That's what I'm talking about!

You think their weakness is the shroud of the dark side? I felt liek it wasn't clearly explained at all...

 

Yes, but genocide is a pretty heavy punishment for arrogance and detachment. IMO, they just couldn't see the forest for the trees, and got overtaken by an adversary with no qualms in using whatever methods to win, no matter who suffered.

 

i was discussing this with a friend the other day and i agreed with you, that their punishment was pretty heavy. that's in human terms, though, in cosmological terms it might have been necessary.

 

Their weakness was that they weren't able to rely on their insticts. This is something Jedi practised and focused more during the OT. But, before, they relied more on their dogmas than their true instincts, or anything else...

 

Strilo edit: Trolling is bad...

 

Okay, yesterday I was tired and I posted a one liner that made it look like I was a troll. I made a comment that GL was the weakness of the jedi. In reality though, the weakness of the jedi can be divided into two parts. One being the movies and the second one being eu. In the movies, the jedi were not really the warriors that they were written in the novels and the comic books. In the movies, they were sword swinging with a little force pushing ability and some minimal farseeing, and that was it. In the novels, they used and had a greater selection of powers (Dark Empire, Darksaber, New Rebellion, Dark Lords of the Sith,etc). In the movies, the jedi's were limited in there capabilitites. Whether it was done for story purposes or not, is something that we will never truly know. In the eu, there weakness was in there lack of numbers and lack of jedi trainig lore. That put them at a disadvantage everytime a crisis came out. We all know though that the jedi and sith in the eu have an extrodianry amount of powers and abilities that the movies counterparts do not.

PS: I am not a troll, I probably have more star wars material than half of the memebers of this site. My thing is, that I will not post positive information unless it is warranted. Like I said, I have magazine articles, and internet reviews, and I even print message boards to correlate the info with my collections, and with the prequels. The info has not really been positive. I love star wars, but I am not going to say if its the best when the problems are there.

 

The movies are all that matter in the Movie Forums. The PT Jedi are everything the OT made them out to be. We knew that they were flawed, hence their destruction.

 

Bullets.

 

They are not using weakness as a general term for something the Jedi always have. Yoda is saying that teir weakness at that moment is that their view of the futre is clouded.

 

I would say their biggest weakness was stagnation. The Jedi sat around for 1000 years thinking the Sith to be dead. In the downtime they mingled in mind numbing things like politics and trade dispute negotiations. Nothing like a few senate sessions to dull those fighting skills.

When the Sith finally came back and kicked the Jedi in the face they were too top heavy to keep from falling down.

 

They were not mindful of the living force. They were Always looking in the future, the Horizon and thats were the Darkside clouded them.

 

Uh, that was Anakins weakness. He was arrogant of his own skills, and his lack of detachment doomed the galaxy. The Jedi's weakness was the lack of knowledge about the Sith, and they got blindsided by an attack that was planned for years that they had no clue about.

Anakin was arrogant of his skills and power.

His attachment with Padme led to him doing anything for her, including having direct involvement with the death of Mace Windu and aiding Palpatine in his rise to power.

 

Anakin was not the only one who is arrogant of his own skills because Yoda mentioned in AOTC that ALL of the Jedi were becoming arrogant with their skills, "even the older, more experienced ones". Mace, Ki-Adi, and the rest thought Dooku wasn't a murderer but when they confront him on Geonosis, he deploys 1,000 battledroids to take them out and that shows how arrogant the Jedi have become and they were also arrogant to dismiss Dooku's claims that a Sith Lord named Darth Sidious has taken over the Republic. Once Anakin revealed that Palpatine is Sidious, what does Mace say? "If what you say is true, you will have earned my trust"...another sign of arrogance because Mace not only didn't bring Anakin along but he also dismissed his statement until Palps pulled out his saber and killed the 3 Jedi Mace brought with him.

Their arrogance and their mistreatment of Anakin is what led to their downfall.