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What is Vader's armor made off ?

Discussion in 'Literature' started by DEWORE-DEWKNOT, Dec 3, 2003.

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  1. DEWORE-DEWKNOT

    DEWORE-DEWKNOT Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Do any of the books say what his suit and armor are made off ?
     
  2. Errant_Venture

    Errant_Venture Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I'm not sure.

    Could it be a combination of Cortosis Ore and something else? Vader got hit in ESB and never had a scratch on his armor, so could he have been protected? I say some Cortosis Ore because he did lose his hand in ROTJ, which would have been a lot harder if it was pure Cortosis.
     
  3. Knight1192

    Knight1192 Jedi Knight star 6

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    Snips and snails and Ewok tails. Actually, I don't know. The OS may say and I thing the Tech Journal might have some info on it.
     
  4. DEWORE-DEWKNOT

    DEWORE-DEWKNOT Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I thought that too. I also wonder if it is the stuff Boba Fett wears. Maybe it is a Sith secret....Do any books touch on this?
     
  5. Knight1192

    Knight1192 Jedi Knight star 6

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    I actually just though of another source just after posting that. The Vader issue of the Star Wars Galaxy Magazine. I'll have to get it out and see if it helps any.
     
  6. DEWORE-DEWKNOT

    DEWORE-DEWKNOT Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Thanks Knight1192

    Are you a traveling man ?

    I ask this question because I was watching ESB in my store yesterday and I swore I saw Lukes blade glance off of Vader's shoulder without doing a thing to him.
     
  7. Errant_Venture

    Errant_Venture Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    What you saw was indeed correct. Vader had no scratch on his armor after that blow from Luke.

    I think the most likely scenerio is that it is partly Cortosis Ore and something else.
     
  8. Knight1192

    Knight1192 Jedi Knight star 6

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    A traveling man? Even with what you said after, that doesn't make much sense to me.

    Ok, I just grabbed the Annotated Screenplays, the ESB novelization, SWGM #11: Darth Vader Special, the SWGM #11 poster, and the all Boba Fett magazine that TOPPs put out. TOPPs were the editors for SWGM and had a license to produce these magazines, in case you don't already know.

    I'll need to to use slow motion to see for certain, but things go by too fast to see if Luke's damage actually appears in the movie. the Annotated Screenplays says this about the sceen on 216:

    Vader:You are beaten. It is usless to resist. Don't let yourself be destroyed as Obi-Wan did.

    Luke answers by rolling sideways and thrusting his sword at Vader so viciously that he nicks Vader on the shoulder. The black armor sparks and smokes, and Vader seems to be hurt but immediately recovers.


    You will recall from the movie that just after Luke's lightsaber makes contact with Vader's armor that Vader let's out a scream of pain. That fits in with what's in the script and what's in the novelization. ESB novelization, chapter 13, page 195:

    "You are beaten," Vader stated with horrifying certainty and finality. "It is useless to resist."

    But Luke did resist. He lunged at the Dark Lord with a vicious blow, bringing his sizzling laser blade to crash onto Vader's armor and sear through to the Flesh. Vader staggered from the blow, and it seemed to Luke that he was in pain. But only for a moment. Then, once again, Vader began toward him.


    Both sources show that Luke actually did damage Vader's armor. So it may actually appear just for a spilt second in the movie or it may have delibrately have been left out because it was felt there was no reason to make a specially damaged shoulder for just a few seconds of screen time that wouldn't really be seen.

    SWGM #11 really doesn't say much about his armor, that's actually left up to the poster. And this is all the poster has to say:

    In his final battle with Obi-Wan, Vader fell into a pit of molten lava, emerging alive but forever scarred and forced to wear a breathing mask and life-suport system. The brains of the system is a computer just beneath his chest armor that controls his body-temperature and breathing apparatuses. Additional durasteel -- an ultralight metal that can withstand extreme temperature and stress changes -- protects Vader's shoulders, torso, and shins. His high-tech belt houses the actual temperature-control system (left), the audio enhancement unit (center) that gives him his fearsome voice and a respiratory sensor matrix that regulates his breath. Black robes and a flowing cape cover much of his insulated bodysuit.


    As for Fett, the poster that came with the Boba Fett magazine says his helmet and the breast blast plates are made of duraplast and the bodysuit is a reinforced armor mesh battle suit. The inner lining to the bodysuit is able to block poisons and corrosives.
     
  9. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek

    Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling star 10

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    In Dark Apprentice, when Kyp visits Vader's funeral pyre, he finds some melted bits of plasteel.

    So plasteel is one of the components of Vader's armor.
     
  10. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    The Technical Journal to the Imperial Forces v2. says that Vader's armor is durasteel. :)
     
  11. Knight1192

    Knight1192 Jedi Knight star 6

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    Okay, we've got both durasteel and plasteel, both of which can be a part of his armor. The shoulder/chest armor does show bands of two different colors of black. Perhaps one is laid on top of the other. Also the electical control box on his chest seems to also be part of his armor and could be made of a different material from the rest.
     
  12. DEWORE-DEWKNOT

    DEWORE-DEWKNOT Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Thanks everyone.
     
  13. Raven

    Raven Administrator Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Vader was definitely hurt in ESB. In SOTE, he remarks on how he's healing from the wound Luke gave him.
     
  14. quad_gun_jinn

    quad_gun_jinn Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Raven beat me to it

    He also used that injury as a focussing point on meditation to make him stronger.

    And there could also be cortosis ore. Lukes blade didn't slice vaders arm off and look at how many times it took Luke to cut off Vaders hand. Numerous hacks
     
  15. JayCee

    JayCee Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Lukes blade didn't slice vaders arm off and look at how many times it took Luke to cut off Vaders hand. Numerous hacks

    Eh? I thought he slashed at the blade. Until the last cut, when Vaders guard was down he sliced of the hand. With one cut. Or not? ?[face_plain]
     
  16. JediTrilobite

    JediTrilobite Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    I always imagined that it was just Durasteel. I don't think that he would be expecting it to be anything but ceremonial.
     
  17. Even__Piell

    Even__Piell Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Fett's armour is Mandalorian armour I think..

    Vader's armour is chemically bonded to give it an ultra high density
     
  18. quad_gun_jinn

    quad_gun_jinn Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    RE:JAYCEE
    Yeah your probobly right I lost my video player to a power surge a while ago so I havent watched ROTJ in ages
     
  19. RaptorRage

    RaptorRage Jedi Master star 4

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    Vader's armor is made of love and peace. [face_love]

    The only things that can deflect a lightsabre.
     
  20. Tiershon_Fett

    Tiershon_Fett Jedi Knight star 5

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    In the Visual Dictionary, it says his boots are cybernetic fused to flesh.
     
  21. TalonCard

    TalonCard •Author: Slave Pits of Lorrd •TFN EU Staff star 5 VIP

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    Let's not forget the glove on Vader's right hand, which is practically indestructible. It can withstand intense heat and radiation, deflect blaster bolts with ease... Only problem is, lightsabers slice through it like a hot knife through butter. :p

    Vader's shoulder seems to be a weak point in his armor--he's been wounded there at least three times.

    Does anyone here have the Dark Side Sourcebook? I seem to remember someone saying something about Vader's armor, and citing that book as the source.

    How many suits of armor did Vader have? Was it just the one? I seem to recall mention of an RPG adventure in which the heros find an extra suit, and I believe that Jedi's Honor also touches on the subject. Can anyone confirm this?

    TC
     
  22. benTantilles

    benTantilles Jedi Master star 3

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    "deflect blaster bolts with ease"
    i always thought that he used the Force to do that....

    "The Technical Journal to the Imperial Forces v2. says that Vader's armor is durasteel. "
    like others have said before me, it's likely to be a combination of materials. durasteel is durable (hence its name...) but if vader's armour were made entirely of it, he probably wouldn't be able to walk very far.... plasteel was probably added in to lend some form agility and flexibility to the suit, and wasn't used by itself coz it's not as durable as durasteel. cortosis ore would offer protection against lightsabers, but is not practical for use by itself coz it is, IIRC, weak in almost every other way.

    edit: unfortunately, the mixture of substances means that, while it the end-product is a very versatile sort of substance which is durable and can afford some protection against lightsaber blows, it probably won't have as great an effect as each of its constiuent components. meaning that it can't deflect saber blows as well as pure cortosis ore, and it isn't as strong as pure durasteel etc. probably explains why vader was able to get injured by luke when the latter struck at the right areas.
     
  23. Even__Piell

    Even__Piell Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Durasteel is quite vulnerable to lightsaber blows. Take for example the blast door in TPM. I think it's safe to assume that's durasteel.
     
  24. Matthew Trias

    Matthew Trias Force Ghost star 6

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    t's not forget the glove on Vader's right hand, which is practically indestructible. It can withstand intense heat and radiation, deflect blaster bolts with ease... Only problem is, lightsabers slice through it like a hot knife through butter.

    No, he used the Force to deflect han's blaster bolt. Obi Wan deflects destroyer droid bolts with his bare hand in Clone Wars. Luke deflects AT AT fire wit the Force in Dark Empire.

     
  25. Mr44

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    Does anyone here have the Dark Side Sourcebook? I seem to remember someone saying something about Vader's armor, and citing that book as the source.

    Yep..DSSB, p.93

    Darth Vader wears a unique set of dark armor. It is the equivalnet of padded battle armor, imbued with dark side power through Sith alchemical techniques.

    The armor provides Vader with damage reduction, and contians various life support systems for his shattered body.

    The armor is irrigated with Sith-crafted chemicals that enhnace his strength and constitution.


    Not much about the exact material composition though.

    EDIT: In the wonderful GODV, his right glove was revealed to be indestructible, but not the left.. Go figure
     
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